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Hi Edith, Ethridges, Gilberts, Harveys, Janie Kirkbride Brown MacLeod, All, 

This wonderful marriage license picture for George Kirkbride and Jane Horn in Kirkbythore, England from 1868 - https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/3/3d/Kirkbride-320.jpg - reappeared in this email thread, so I've added it to WikiTree (and also to Ancestry .com - https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/tree/162331043/person/252115007350/media/1034d97d-3656-49a1-be84-deddc9c08cc2 - ) ... to become further familiar with how these genealogy platforms work ...   

I've also created these two new WikiTree pages for - 

George Kirkbride (1838 - 1918)
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kirkbride-320
(See, too, George Kirkbride in Ancestry .com - https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/162331043/person/252115007349/story )

Jane Horn (1838 - 1906)
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Horn-6867
(See, too, Jane Horn in Ancestry .com - https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/162331043/person/252115007350/story ) 

(accessible from 

Rachel Agnes (Kirkbride) Gilbert (1873 - 1958)
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kirkbride-298

and

my Granny Rachel (Gilbert) Brown (1905-1997)

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gilbert-11800

(See, too, my Granny Rachel Brown in Ancestry .com https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/162331043/person/252114297135/story )

Please check out what you have access to ... there's much to learn as we add things, and thus become historians in the process ... it's kinda fun, and regarding origin stories in a way :)

I was particularly moved by some documents uploaded by my first cousin Mark MacLeod that told personal stories of other grandparents in Ancestry. com ... and would love to learn of your memories, anecdotes, and also see related documents ... potentially in WikiTree because it's free, high quality, easy to use and not behind a paywall, for example, so somehow is quite open. I'd also love to be able to ask some questions of some of you ... and in this time of Covid-19 ... Skype or Google Meet video conferencing seems to make this possible in a new way? 

Shall we explore some mini-family reunions :)? 

Warm regards, Scott

http://scottmacleod.com/ScottMacLeodFamilyHistory.htm

http://scottmacleod.com/family.htm

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/MacLeod-2524

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/162331043/person/252114291549/story

SGKMacLeod family history label - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/SGKMacLeod%20family%20history - 

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 2:22 PM Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org> wrote:

Dear Mark, Janie, and All, 

My mother, Janie - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brown-92989 - asked me to add her as one of some of our Grandpa's Sandy Brown's children (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brown-92991), so I sought to, but I think you're already there, Ma -  

I've also created a new 'SGKMacLeod family history' label in blog (and I've added a number of related posts at bottom back through July 2019, but may add label to older posts than this too) for all of your reference, should you be looking for resources when exploring your genealogy platform 

https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/SGKMacLeod%20family%20history

From WikiTree, I found some further ancestors of some of our Major General Benjamin Lincoln (who received the sword of surrender from British in Amer. Rev.), which I may add to Ancestry .com - 

Benjamin Lincoln (1699 - 1771)
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lincoln-1912

Benjamin Lincoln (bef. 1643 - 1700)
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lincoln-643

Benjamin Lincoln (1733 - 1810)
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lincoln-78

Both WikiTree sets of links to Sarah Bolles Chadbourne and to Benjamin Lincoln are in this blog post - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2020/11/rosy-posy-rhodohypoxis-baurii.html - but am still looking for a source or two for how best I or someone else could add the known line from Sarah Bolles Chadbourne back to King Edward I in WikiTree. Hugh? - since your a medieval historian who studies Edward I's time? 

And then how to begin further in both Ancestry. com and Wikitree to explore DNA in all these lines, when they go back 20 generations or so? Mark, your explorations here 

Using DNA to gain insights into our MacLeod family history (attached to previous email)
Mark K MacLeod
January 29 2020 

are teaching documents too! Thank you!

Family cheers, Scott

http://scottmacleod.com/ScottMacLeodFamilyHistory.htm

http://scottmacleod.com/family.htm

Ancestry .com (sgkmacleod iii) https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/162331043/person/252114291549/story -

Wikitree sgkmacleod iii) https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/MacLeod-2524

In addition to the new https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/SGKMacLeod%20family%20history label you'll also find some of this genealogy research from our emails in the 'Gordon K MacLeod MD' label in my blog as well as in the 'genes' and other labels / posts therein too - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/Gordon%20K.%20MacLeod%20MD ~ https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/genes ~ and 'Deoxyribonucleic Acid label - too 

Scott MacLeod - https://twitter.com/scottmacleod  
World Univ and Sch Twitter - http://twitter.com/WorldUnivandSch  
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On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 1:28 PM Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org> wrote:

Hi Mark, Janie, Alden, Sandy, Annie, Cathy, Hugh, All, (re Chadbourne family history), and James Edward McLeod descendants,  

I had fun yesterday in WikiTree genealogy software going from moi to Sarah Bolles (who is supposed to descend in a direct line from Edward I, 1239-1307) in the Chadbourne line - 

Sarah Bolles 

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bolles-66

William Chadbourne

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Chadbourne-132

Hon. Col. Benjamin Chadbourne

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Chadbourne-211

Jonathan Chesley Chadbourne

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Chadbourne-295

Ichabod Rollins Chadbourne

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Chadbourne-294

Lt. Col. Alexander Scammell Chadbourne

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Chadbourne-292

Martha Holway [middle name?] Brown formerly Chadbourne

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Chadbourne-290

Alexander Chadbourne "Sandy" Brown

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brown-92991

Janet Kirkbride (Jane) "Janie" MacLeod formerly Brown

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brown-92989

Professor Gordon Kenneth (Scott GK MacLeod) "Scott or Scotty" MacLeod III

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/MacLeod-2524

Now how to go from Sarah Bolles, perhaps in conversation with Ancestry .com - in WikiTree - all the way back to Edward I in a direct line, by clicking through? 

(I found too that I need to learn my family history much better than I do now to be able to go from Sarah Bolles to moi in WikiTree). Genetic questions re Ancestry .com and WikiTree genetics back to 1237 AD to follow. 

(Re other Chadbourne line ancestors known in history, this Sarah Bolles' line doesn't include directly Major General Benjamin Lincoln - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lincoln-78 - No. 2 to George Washington in American revolution [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Lincoln - https://www.historyisfun.org/learn/learning-center/benjamin-lincoln/ ] - who is supposed to have accepted the sword of surrender from the British after a battle of Shay's Rebellion in 1786-87 - http://shaysrebellion.stcc.edu/shaysapp/person.do?shortName=benjamin_lincoln ).

Thoughts off the top of your head how to easily go from Sarah Bolles to Edward 1st in in WikiTree? Are you all in WikiTree now? 

Please let me know, and also what you're learning genealogically these days! 

My first cousin Mark MacLeod did some marvelous genealogy with DNA evidence of the MacLeod line back to the Isle of Raasay, a generation or two before James Edward McLeod who emigrated from Scotland to Prince Edward Island in the 1800s:

Using DNA to gain insights into our MacLeod family history
Mark K MacLeod
January 29 2020 

Regards, Scotty

Ancestry .com (moi) https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/162331043/person/252114291549/story - 

Wikitree (moi) https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/MacLeod-2524

you'll also find some of this genealogy research from our emails in the 'Gordon K MacLeod MD' label in my blog as well as in the 'genes' and other labels / posts therein too - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/Gordon%20K.%20MacLeod%20MD 

recent Sarah Bolles' 

References and resources - 

Sarah Bolles (b. January 20, 1656/57), who married Humphrey Chadbourne (14 generations back from the author), reportedly comes from a long, documented line of kings and queens in Scotland, England and France (see Bacon's "The Chadbourne Family in America: A Family Genealogy"): "Sarah Bolles has a well-established royal descent from Edward I, King of England (1272-1307) and many earlier Kings of England, Scotland and France, as published in Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists by Frederick Lewis Weis, 7th Edition [1992] compiled by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr."> ... 

https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/m/a/c/Gordon-K-Macleod-iii/index.html

http://scottmacleod.com/ScottMacLeodFamilyHistory.htm

http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2016/08/springs-hydrology-humphrey-chadbourne.html

About Sarah Bolles - 

https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Bolles-Family-Tree-66

https://www.geni.com/people/Sarah-Nason/6000000008799837041

https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Benjamin_Nason_%283%29

1.   Ahlquist, Earle N. The Paul Chadbourn family of Waterborough, Maine, 1748-1990. (Peru, Illinois: Chadbourne Family Association, 1984, 1990). 

   Lieutenant HUMPHREY3 CHADBOURNE (3. Humphrey2 William1), born Kittery circa 1653; died Berwick 1694 (BVR, 205); married before Sep 1678 when their first child was born SARAH BOLLES, born Wells 20 or 26 (Early Marriages of Strafford Co NH) Jan 1657, died probably Berwick after 10 Nov 1707 (letter of son Humphrey, below) and before Dec 1708 (when Benjamin Nason married third), daughter of Joseph and Mary (Howell) Bolles. The widow Sarah (Bolles) Chadbourne married second (as widow of Williamêapparently a transciption error, Early Marriages of Strafford Co NH) after May 1700, when Benjamin's last child with his first wife was born (KVR, 12) Benjamin Nason of Berwick, who died 1714. Benjamin had married first (by Rev John Pike) 30 June 1689 Martha Canney, b 5 Feb 1669, d before 1708, daughter of Thomas; and married third Portsmouth NH 27 Dec 1708 (NEHGR 5:40; LND, 504) Elizabeth (Martyn) (Kennard) Furber. (See Joseph Anderson, "Mary Nason, Wife of William Chadbourne of Berwick, Maine", TAG, Apr 1993.)
   
   In Jan 1690/1 Sarah witnessed the will of her brother-in-law Charles Frost (MW, 118). A land record has been found in which Benjamin and Sarah, his wife, conveyed property in Berwick (YD 7:50). Both were signed with her distinctive, large "S".
   
   In the collections of the Maine Historical Society, a letter from Humphrey4 Chadbourne to his cousin Joseph Bolles survives to reveal the second marriage of the widow Sarah (Bolles) Chadbourne:
   
   Pray Lit. For Mr Joseph Bolles At Ipswich []
   
   Barwick
   
   Novembr ye 10th 1707
   
   Loving Cozen my Love Remmberd to yu hoping this will find yu in good health as I am at this present time I am desired by my Mothor to send to yu she hath bin sick & under ye doctors hands all this sumer [crossed out] summer & is Like to be for all winter If she lives for she has Lost ye use of her lims & can not stride nofurthor than she is helpt She Remmbers her kins love to yu & desires it to Let it not be known that yu owe her money but keep it privt be cause she has a Cross Husband he is for geting all she has in ye world & that will not Content him but he thretens to take away all that I have to [too] I lately went to see her & was privte with her & she Cryd bitterly & told me his unkindness that he intended quickly to try wth me for what Estate I have for he says it is his wives & he is informed to [too] that mother has mony in yr hand which he intends [crossed out] presently to fetch but pray let it not be known that I sent to yu nor to any body lest it should come to his Ears & should fix up more strife If he should send tel him it is payd long ago & yu have nothing to say to them when you have perusd this burn it & keep all privit for news we have none
   
   Mr Wise is publishd to Cozen Mary Shipway & is to be Ordained in this month
   
   Loving Cozen
   Humphry Chadbourn
   
   (MHS, Coll. S-1664)
   
   Sarah Bolles has a well-established royal descent from Edward I, King of England (1272-1307) and many earlier Kings of England, Scotland and France, as published in Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists by Frederick Lewis Weis, 7th Edition [1992] compiled by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr. Her father, Joseph Bolles, was baptized at Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England 19 Feb 1608, son of Thomas and Elizabeth (Perkins) Bolles Esq of Oberton Manor (ibid)

https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Benjamin_Nason_%283%29

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 6:40 PM Mark MacLeod <mark_k_macleod@yahoo.com> wrote:

I think these ethnicity estimates are full of errors and omissions. I wouldn't waste any time. In the latest update, I lost all links to Scotland. Some aspects are correct (e.g., it's interesting the JimAlan MacLeod, brother Ed and Mary Bonczek show southern Australia connection.)

And what can you do with it? I'm not sure.

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020, 8:22:01 PM EST, Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org> wrote:

Curious how to delve into these percentages of DNA origins ... like 6% in Wales (could that be Edward I for example in part?) ... will poke around further with time :)

Scotland
21%
Scottish Highlands & Islands
The Outer Hebrides
Isle of Skye

England & Northwestern Europe
18%

Wales
6%

Germanic Europe
3%

Appreciating your French heritage, Mark ... as well as some other Ancstery email hints !

Scott

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 5:17 PM Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org> wrote:

Thanks! Appreciate your sensible judgements here ... and cool and thanks! Scott

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 5:12 PM Mark MacLeod <mark_k_macleod@yahoo.com> wrote:

Well, I don't think much about the link to Margaret McLean in Ontario. I'd need a lot more support to feel that is the same Norman John MacLeod. Ditto with the death in Scotland. All that said, there is next to no info on Norman and Isobel.

To see the 32,000 number, click on 'Shared DNA' along the 'Filter by' top line.

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020, 8:04:38 PM EST, Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org> wrote:

Mark, 

It's really nice to hear from you as well. Glad you got together with family in Maine this summer some. You're amazing with Ancestry, and especially with your genes' focus, and knowledge regarding what to look for genealogically. 

I added some new names to both Ancestry and WikiTree today ... including Norman John MacLeod and Isobel MacKenzie, but when I examined further other trees, I found a marriage between Norman John MacLeod, and Margaret McLean in Ontario - https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/162331043/person/252240935382/story What do you think? ... Will have to delve further. 

I also just found this hint with the same death date as Norman John MacLeod (possibly 'The Elder'), but in Scotland, and with mother of Jean MacDonald

Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-22 Source Info
Stories, Memories & Histories
Quick Compare

Review
Name Norman Macleod Different
Birth Dec 1783 Bernera, Inverness-shire Different
Death 3 Mar 1862 Same
Father Norman Macleod New
Mother Jean MacDonald New

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1981&h=34604&tid=162331043&pid=252115019035&hid=1045569246707&usePUB=true&_phsrc=sNf24839&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true&currentPageIsStart=

And your ability to find ancestor's DNA and their relations and offspring in Australia is incredible. Seems like I could do something similar in tracing Dotia Holland's ancestors back with DNA, but her ancestors may have some Rhode Island roots, and without the Holland name. Hmmm ... 

When I clicked on DNA Matches, I saw that you, Jen Murray and Paul MacLeod (all my first cousins) share about 783-900 cM across 25 or so segments, but I don't see the 32,000 number. Where would I find this? 

And will attractive Nicole follow me or connect with me further? Perhaps I will have figured out possible Holland name connections with the Netherlands by then. And am curious what she may have found as well. Maybe we can explore these family tree platforms together with time? Am continuing to play hard-to-get per my mother's sensible suggestion. 

Fond regards, 

Scott 

 

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 4:27 PM Mark MacLeod <mark_k_macleod@yahoo.com> wrote:

Scott,

Good to hear from you. All is well with us here in Maine. We spent a lot of the summer and early fall up at our summer house in Buxton (Trump country, yuk!) but we were able to meet with a lot of family. Now everyone has gone home and we're not looking forward to the holiday season without family.

I continue my work in genealogy, focusing on our roots in Raasay. Tonight I was exploring DNA matches living in Australia now. There are about 50 folks living today who are in Australia and are DNA matches to members of our family. Following their trees back in time leads in all cases back to Raasay. During the Highland clearances, on Raasay in 1852 and 1854 there were boat loads of people who left for Australia. Entire villages were cleared out. Some were our ancestors.

Hints are the 'click bait' of Ancestry. They're often helpful and correct but they can absolutely lead you astray and be wildly incorrect. And mistakes get propagated when you copy inaccurate trees from other people.

In Ancestry, your DNA results show that you have over 32,000 matches. Who knows, you might find folks with Dutch ancestry. Go to your match list and search on 'Birth location' or surnames like 'Holland' and if you find a match of interest, be sure to look at 'Shared Matches' which leads you down more rabbit trails. It's a real time suck! But fun.

Mark

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020, 11:35:42 AM EST, Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org> wrote:

Hi Mark, 

Opening Ancestry again after a hiatus, and connecting again in messaging there with you (I just shared this message with you in Ancestry). How are you? Am curious about some hints I received this morning, re Martha Holway Chadbourne (1871-1909) - who died in childbirth with my GREAT aunt Martha Chadbourne Briscoe (Alden's mother, who was very visionary, smart and good). I also just received a hint about Mildred Docia Holland (1843-1926), and am curious about any Dutch ancestry I might have - and regarding Nicole Van Gronigen MD (https://twitter.com/NVanGroningenMD), who followed me on Twitter (https://twitter.com/scottmacleod) not too long ago; Nicole lives in LA, but am curious to connect further. Thoughts? 

Warm regards, Scott (worlduniversityandschool.org and scottmacleod.com)

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:09 AM Mark MacLeod <mark_k_macleod@yahoo.com> wrote:

Scott,

A) I believe came from Scotland to PEI with his family, as I detail in the paper

B) In order to interpret centiMorgan values, sometimes Ancestry has a little 'i' next to the number. If not, I use DNA Painter. You simply type a number in to the online tool and it gives you a range of possible relationships and their probabilities. The closer the relative, the more certain the tool can be. Shared cM Project 3.0 Tool v4 with relationship probabilities

Shared cM Project 3.0 Tool v4 with relationship probabilities DNA Painter An interactive version of the shared cM data with probabilities showing the most likely relationships

C) I'm not sure what you are asking. In general, to follow a bloodline back it time takes reviewing sources in Ancestry. It's not very helpful for living people, and it becomes more suspect the further back in time you go (e.g. 1500s) unless the person is famous. Copying the work of others is quick but can easily get you into trouble.

Here's a table I made in Excel:

DNA matches with known MacLeod family  relatives		JAM	SM	MKM	JMUR	JMAC	MS	MB	DC	NCM
JimAlan MacLeod (JAM)		NA	542	408	454	259	157	Y	131	175
Scott GK MacLeod (SM)		542	NA	783	881	511	374	Y	46	70
Mark MacLeod (MKM)		408	783	NA	2534	286	1722	Y	9	13
Jen Murray (JMUR)		454	881	2534	NA	306	1627	Y	NAM	NAM
Jen MacLeod (JMAC)		259	511	286	306	NA	73	Y	24	26
Mark Shoemaker (MS)		157	374	1722	1627	73	NA	Y	NAM	NAM
Mary Bonczek		1226	610	422	302	373	236	NA	37	93
Mary Lindmark		451	272	281	189	138	102	Y	17	27
Eric MacLeod		1602	262	94	227	111	119	Y	29	35
Melissa Troisi		665	234	216	200	39	15	Y	38	39
Brett MacLeod		211	380	480	421	2704	224	Y	NAM	NAM
Joseph Kennedy		307	350	508	448	197	233	Y	NAM	NAM
Kaitlyn DiBuono		216	109	138	117	36	51	Y	16	NAM

Mark

On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 1:29:37 PM GMT-3:30, Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org> wrote:

Hi Mark, 

Thanks so much for the DNA paper and regarding MacLeod Family history which I'm just beginning to read. I had begun these 3 items yesterday too, which your paper may begin to address: 

A) 

Looks like James Norman MacLeod came over about the same time as James Edward McLeod 

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/154485576/person/242120606484/story

(And some one has put together a group ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_MacLeod_of_Raasay ... not sure how old this is as a kind of 'society' or some sort of formal / civil organization )

B)

Curious about the growing developing meaning significances of centiMorgans eg

your sister, 

1) Jennifer MacLeod Murray - Shared DNA: 881 cM across 35 segments

 and 

2) you: 

Shared DNA: 783 cM across 35 segments
5,992 People
Common ancestor

and me ... 

C) 

Am curious how to follow known lines back in Ancestry.com ... 

eg the Chadbourne line from my grandfather Alexander Chadbourne Brown to Humphrey or William Chadboure (late 1500s/early 1600s who came on the ship the Pied Cowe around 1634 to Maine in America) and one of whom I think married a Sarah Bolles (who may go back to Edward I) ... While I think this Chadbourne line is pretty easy to follow back ... 

eg this Chadbourne line back to King Edward I, so how to trace then ... 

from Sarah Bolles (I think) back in a direct line to King Edward I, the so-called English Justinian or Hammer of the Scots or ... (this line I don't think I've ever seen).

And there is a Chadbourne Association based in Maine (that may have become dormant) that published newsletters for some decades. At the invitation of my grandmother, Rachel Gilbert (Kirbride?) Brown, a Thomas Eschweiler came to a Brown-Briscoe family reunion in around 1984 in Chicago at Alden (who's in the email thread) and Marianne Briscoe's home (but not I think the to the related family reunion in around 1988 in Estes Park Colorado) ... and Thomas Eschweiler was perhaps a president of the Chadbourne Association at the time, and also a Chadbourne descendent, and told us about the Chadbourne line - of a Benjamin Lincoln Chadbourne (who accepted the sword of surrender from the British after the American revolution, and some other Chadbournes - there's a fort in Texas named after Lieutenant Alexander Scammel Chadbourne perhaps ... etc.) ... so I'm particularly curious about tracing the Chadbourne line back from Humphrey or William Chadbourne to Edward I ... and would welcome your thoughts about this too. 

So, how to follow both of these lines - on both sides of the Atlantic that is - back simply in the Ancestry.com family tree software (and not in any special software) ... ?

Looking forward to your paper.

Best, Scott

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 3:58 PM Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org> wrote:

Hi Mark, 

I hope this finds you well. Just getting back into Ancestry.com a bit. And I think I found some answers to questions I've asked you:

I was able to detach Elizabeth Sparry (late 1500s-early 1600s) twice from my mother's father Alexander Chadbourne Brown, thanks to a new setting I found. 

I see now a Norman John MacLeod, probably the father of James Edward MacLeod as from the Isle of Raasay ... fascinating

Sincerely, Scott

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org>
Date: Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: Family history
To: Susan Harvey <susangilbertharvey@yahoo.com>, Derrick Leigh <dleigh112@hotmail.co.uk>, <erica.blanton@gmail.com>
Cc: Edith Ethridge <EEthridge@aol.com>, Sandy MacLeod <sandysculpture@hotmail.com>, Susan Gilbert Harvey <susan@susanharvey.com>, Karen Leighty <karen.leighty@gmail.com>, Alden Briscoe <abriscoe@brakeleybriscoe.com>, MacLeod, Janie <jkbmacleod@icloud.com>, Scott MacLeod <scott@scottmacleod.com>, Ann <anniebrownbrown@excite.com>, <catherinemuller57@gmail.com>, MacLeod Mark and Roberta <mark_k_macleod@yahoo.com>, Pete and Suzy Gilbert <pagodabay@comcast.net>, Jennifer MacLeod Murray <jenmurrayalice@gmail.com>, Jen - ND MacLeod <jm@jenmacleod.com>, Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@gmail.com>

HI Janie, Erica, family, Mark, and All, 

With my mother (Janie) just having got an Ancestry.com Ancestry DNA kit for Xmas (but she didn't sign up for the Ancestry.com FamilyTrees with related impressive document search), and having gotten some documents from Edith Ethridge and possibly newly Erica Blanton (Karen Leighty's daughter both in DC), I have an ongoing series of questions about ownership of data. 

First thought: Keep your own copies of your photos and documents, if you choose to engage these platforms. (The internet and machine learning change the dynamics of ownership questions here too). I appreciate WikiTree seeking to head toward Creative Commons' licensing, and also appreciate Ancestry.com's Ancestry DNA service (which seems to be somewhat leading the pack). 

I searched on and found the following as well: 

WikiTree just emailed this photo scan-a-thon information - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Scan-a-Thon - which may be interesting re questions of ownership of family history pictures, documents and data. More to think through - but I think the CC-licensing (like "copyright for sharing") would be more instituted in WikiTree than the proprietary licensing of Ancestry.com (for management) and re one's own personal family documents. What do you think?

And re scanning ... ownership of data questions ... and answers? You and I  may have emailed some of these questions before, but I'm thinking about this a bit further too. I searched and found the following re data, WikiTree and Ancestry compared in a sense:

Who owns Wikitree data and can I get it back?

You can export most data through GEDCOMs, but you are correct that GEDCOMs cannot include photos. We don't have another export medium. It's highly recommended that you keep copies of everything you upload. This shouldn't be the only place you store anything.

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/195663/who-owns-wikitree-data-and-can-i-get-it-back

are WikiTree GEDCOM files creative commons licensed?

Photo Discoverability and Creative Commons Licenses
https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/750592/photo-discoverability-and-creative-commons-licenses

"I deeply appreciate that many WikiTree folks are trying to use Creative Commons Licenses for the photos and scans that they upload" AND "However, it is unfortunate that WikiTree has not yet integrated Creative Commons Licenses into the website's architecture."
https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/750592/photo-discoverability-and-creative-commons-licenses



who owns Ancestry.com data?

Ancestry.com takes DNA ownership rights from customers and their relatives
https://www.geneticsandsociety.org/article/ancestrycom-takes-dna-ownership-rights-customers-and-their-relatives

Ancestry has a history of backtracking on promises to customers
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/article210969549.html

I also think I'll be able to go back to trace my family history through the Chadbourne line to Edward I, for example, in WikiTree, whereas Ancestry.com seems to be DNA & document focused, and may not go back much past the 1850s in Scotland, or  similar.

Cheers, Scott

Have added much of my thinking from this thread in the 'Gordon K MacLeod MD' label in my blog - 

https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/Gordon%20K.%20MacLeod%20MD (and possibly in the 'genes' label too!)

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 1:21 PM Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org> wrote:

Dear Susan and Mark, Janie and Sandy, and All, 

Happy New Year and Season's Greetings! My holiday letter is below. 

Mark, I got my mother an Ancestry.com DNA kit, for Christmas, and it came in the mail today! (She hasn't signed onto anything else with Ancestry.com but may possibly do so after getting DNA analysis back!)

Just published my 4th book as you'll see in the holiday email: "To the Dance or the Pools? ~ Virtually! How Different It Is to Soak at Harbin Hot Springs than to Realize it in virtual Reality" :)

Warmest regards, Scott

https://amazon.com/author/scottmacleodworlduniversity

- http://scottmacleod.com/family.htm

- http://scottmacleod.com/ScottMacLeodFamilyHistory.htm

'Gordon K MacLeod MD' label - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/Gordon%20K.%20MacLeod%20MD

'genes' label in blog - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/genes

 - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/MacLeod-2524 -

Our Ancestry.com profiles - 

Derrick Leigh - 

https://www.ancestry.com/account/profile/005a9f9d-0006-0000-0000-000000000000

Mark K MacLeod

https://www.ancestry.com/account/profile/06543b97-0006-0000-0000-000000000000

Scott GK MacLeod

https://www.ancestry.com/account/profile/07376f97-0006-0000-0000-000000000000

https://www.geni.com/people/Humphrey-Chadbourne/6000000008799846811

Scott GK MacLeod

Happy New Year 2020! And Merry Christmas ...  A Desiderata poem focus in 2020: https://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html (https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2019/12/antarctica-mcmurdo-bay-merry-christmas.html)? 

 

Global university work continues daily - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/global%20university - with regards to wiki MIT OCW-centric World University and School. And it looks like we'll collaborate with Harvard and MIT's edX in 2020 for WUaS's 2nd class for free-to-students' CC-4 MIT OCW-centric WUaS Bachelor degrees. And glad to write I just published my 4th book "To the Dance or the Pools? ~ Virtually! How different it is to Soak at Harbin Hot Springs than to realize it in virtual Reality" (http://worlduniversityandschool.org/AcademicPress.html ~ http://amazon.com/author/scottmacleodworlduniversity) - and which I had hoped would be in Google Street View, with time slider, by the time of publication, but potentially at some point! My actual-virtual, physical-digital Harbin Hot Springs' Ethnography and Poetry project continues, and am hoping to write and publish a 2nd actual-virtual Harbin ethnography FROM Google Street View with time slider in the next year or two! Will create my first Scottish small pipes' album this year, as well as publish my next book of poetry in 2020 too! Still seeking a life-partner with whom to begin a family. 

 

Happy New Year, and looking forward very much to seeing you in 2020! Here’s a poem from my new book with some name for https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2019/11/chameleon-vision-poem-to-dance-or-pools.html?m=0 !

 

Is 2020 the year of the robot (or the 2020s) - and at World University and School too? And will the 2020s be the decade for Actual-Virtual, Physical-Digital innovations Robot-Avatar Bot innovations too? And will we all have 'Avatar Bots' (e.g. see the avatars in "Aphilo Scott MacLeod The Making of Virtual Harbin Introduction" - https://youtu.be/3nhvcHw54GE) that correspond to physical robots even - and conceptually with robots that we can first make in Lego Robotics' WeDo 2.0, Mindstorms EV3, and Lego Spike Prime Robotics? I'd chance to make these predictions.

 

World University and School is seeking to plan for, brainstorming-wise, coding for all 7.5 billion people for the following reasons:

 

All 7.5 billion people, each a Personal Identification Number PIN# (instead of a Wikidata Q-item # number) for:

 

 

i) wiki Universitians in 7,111 known living languages, and matriculated students in all ~200 countries,

 

ii) Avatar Bot Electronic Medical Records, with genetic therapies, and for molecular tele-robotic surgery, for ex.,

 

iii) Universal Basic Income (UBI) experiments (and to alleviate poverty), and to DISTRIBUTE a single crypto-currency backed by some number of ~200 countries' central banks (where the Euro is in 19 out of 28 EU countries, and backed by their central banks in one way or another) ... and potentially with UBI experiment recipients able, for example, to mine the "Mine Pi" crypto-currency (as a mineable single crypto-currency), developed by Stanford graduates, by clicking on the 'lightning button' brainstorming-wise. 

 

iv) a single family tree for genealogy research as in WikiTree (https://www.wikitree.com), and for aggregating DNA samples too (see item 2 again) ... and for innovative genealogical research.

 

 

In what ways could WUaS plan in Wikdata for all 7.5 billion people each a Wikidata Q-item # and for the above reasons and many more (and keeping in sync with Wikipedia's mission of "the sum of all human knowledge" where all 7.5 billion people generate this with their language, for example)?

 

- https://worlduniversityandschool.blogspot.com/2019/11/minutes-for-annual-meeting-on-saturday.html

 

- https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2019/11/arabian-sand-gazelle-minutes-for-annual.html 

 

 

See, too these 'longevity' blog posts here - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/longevity - with interesting prospects for extending life or reversing aging. 

 

 

It’s been another generative year for ideas in terms of daily blog posts - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com - as well.

 

Happy New Year and best wishes to all of you and your loved ones in this holiday season!

 

Sincerely,

Scott

http://scottmacleod.com/

http://worlduniversityandschool.org/

World University and School Founder and President

~ https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Nation_States (with open wiki schools in all 7,011 living languages planned) ~

sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org

 

Scott MacLeod - https://twitter.com/scottmacleod  

 

World Univ and Sch Twitter - http://twitter.com/WorldUnivandSch 

 

Languages - World Univ - http://twitter.com/sgkmacleod  

 

WUaS Press - https://twitter.com/WUaSPress 

 

“Naked Harbin Ethnography” book (in Academic Press at WUaS) - http://twitter.com/HarbinBook 

 

(OpenBand (Berkeley) - https://twitter.com/TheOpenBand )

 

 

~ https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2019/12/wild-pomegranate-burchellia-bubalina.html ~ 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 3:45 PM Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org> wrote:

Susan, Derrick, and Mark, and family all, 

Susan, thanks so much for your wonderful care package of your book and DVD et al. I enjoyed your smart, hi-jinx, southern, skillfully-enacted theatrical explorations of your art and artistic vision on DVD at the Berkeley Claremont public library very much (and appreciate too what people say about it here - https://www.susanharvey.com/quotes3.html). 

Derrick, Mark and all - I came across some Youtube videos (below) about Robert the Bruce today, which lead me to further explorations of an ancestor, I think, of some of us, Edward I of England (1239- 1307) of Magna Carta history (more videos below). As I understand it, it's through one of his progenitors, Sarah Bolles, and I think this is her Wikitree page - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bolles-66 (and I haven't yet looked recently, again, for Sarah Bolles' Ancestry.com page, Mark) - who married a Humphrey Chadbourne, that this family history exists - so, through the Chadbourne line (and my grandfather, Alexander Chadbourne Brown, who was Janie's father, and Alden's uncle). Both Humphrey, and son William Chadbourne, came to Maine in the early 1600s, one of them on the ship the Pied Cowe. (Looking for ever-improving history here - please read all this with a critical thinking historical minds:). I also haven't yet updated my related family history pages I've mentioned in this thread a few times, but will eventually. The 3rd Robert the Bruce video explores what I hope World Univ & Sch will help to facilitate in terms of a single realistic virtual earth for history and for STEM and everything, ever improving. 

Interesting documentary I just watched (touching further on some of the above): 

Edward I Documentary - Biography of the life of Edward Longshanks King of England

https://youtu.be/uBd3-GI2jaQ (Brief but interesting characterization of the Auld Alliance between France & Scotland here, around Edward I ... )

I've attached a photo of my mother Janet Kirkbride Brown MacLeod (one of this email's addressees) at the Magna Carta monument in England west of London from a trip she took in 2014. 

My next and fourth book, "To the Dance or the Pools? Virtually!," of poetry, will be published soon - https://www.amazon.com/author/scottmacleodworlduniversity - I'm glad to say, but visiting virtual Harbin Hot Springs doesn't seem like it will coincide with this book's publication (in the Academic Press at World University and School).

Happy first of December / Advent, and with very best wishes, Scott

Here too are the Minutes from the Annual Meeting for World University and School -  

https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2019/11/arabian-sand-gazelle-minutes-for-annual.html

- for your enjoyment. 

And please check the 'longevity' label in my blog from time to time, and, for example, yesterday's blog post with regards to a potentially revolutionary gene sequencing platform, which is fascinating in these 'longevity' regards  ... https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2019/11/chimpanzee-playful-species-longevity.html ... 

Robert the Bruce &
Battle of Bannockburn, Scotland 
1 https://youtu.be/t3U1Xi_Odt0
2 https://youtu.be/JKKiClgiwSg
3 https://youtu.be/TwiWA6tH6qQ


Edward the first hammer of the scots
https://youtu.be/Owdpu0xVDrI
Edward I Documentary - Biography of the life of Edward Longshanks King of England
https://youtu.be/uBd3-GI2jaQ
Speak to Edward I
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/medieval/magna-carta/index.php?page=source/6/0
Who was Edward the first?
https://www.medievalists.net/2018/02/who-was-edward-the-first/

King Edward I Of England
Parents, Spouses and Children
https://gw.geneanet.org/comrade28?lang=en&n=england&oc=0&p=king+edward+i+of

The History of Sanford, Maine, 1661-1900
https://books.google.com/books?id=0nUUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA541&lpg=PA541&dq=Edward+the+first+and+the+chadbourne+line+ancestry&source=bl&ots=oLB_G8DzMh&sig=ACfU3U03D8BCwdR8Woto0PECzClB5CW4SQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjI5OOWjJXmAhU3FzQIHeMGAYAQ6AEwC3oECBAQAQ#v=onepage&q=Edward%20the%20first%20and%20the%20chadbourne%20line%20ancestry&f=false

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 1:40 PM Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org> wrote:

Susan (and Pete), 

Thanks so so much for this information, which I read through last night. And I found Pete's narratives especially edifying for much much that I didn't know - and based on his experiences within the family. Please thank him.

I noticed the Harbin word / name in one of the documents  ... which I hadn't heard before in our family conversations. Any connection to James Harbin, after whom I've heard Harbin Hot Springs is named? Have you ever visited? In my actual-virtual Harbin ethnography (2016) - a very large book coming into conversation with Tom Boellstorff's "Coming of Age in Second Life: An Anthropologist Explores the Virtually Human" (Princeton 2008), I take a kind of "hippie to the hot Springs" interpretation (thesis-wise), as well as place and particular soaking in the warm pool meditatively as informing / generating Harbin's 'culture' / discourse / alternative culture. I also in my book take a slight Quaker approach, where sitting in the warm pool is akin to sitting in Friends' Meeting ... de facto 'relaxation response' wise (inner releasing action - and meditation-wise too). Hoping you visit virtual Harbin here - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2019/09/ancient-woodland-nontheist-friends.html - as it gets better, with much about this book in my blog over the years. All this re a kind of Beatrice Potter wondrousness at Harbin as well. 

Am continuing to seek a partner here who's a great fit - to begin a family genealogy-wise as well. Will send you my most recent book of poetry - "Winding Road Rainbow: Harbin, Wandering & the Poetry of Loving Bliss" - which is also Harbin-inspired, and where the exploration of eliciting loving bliss neurophysiology is new in poetry, and a creative innovation in it too (see blog as well - https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/loving%20bliss). Will share more genealogy research with you if you find your way into Ancestry.com or WikiTree especially :) Thank you!!!

A little Sunday sharing (friends' wise:?) and re community building, Scott

https://twitter.com/scottmacleod

https://twitter.com/HarbinBook

"Winding Road Rainbow: Harbin, Wandering & the Poetry of Loving Bliss" book of poetry ~ Traveling to the Rainbow Gathering, Visiting & Soaking in Harbin Hot Springs @HarbinBook https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0578435187.
http://worlduniversityandschool.org/AcademicPress.html - https://amazon.com/author/scottmacleodworlduniversity - scottmacleod.com ~

https://twitter.com/WUaSPress/status/1170780013676744704

"Naked Harbin Ethnography: Hippies, Warm Pools, Counterculture, Clothing-Optionality & Virtual Harbin" Kindle Edition ~ Anthropology of Harbin Springs, virtual Harbin @HarbinBook https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M1S3NMD.
http://worlduniversityandschool.org/AcademicPress.html  https://amazon.com/author/scottmacleodworlduniversity  scottmacleod.com ~

https://twitter.com/WUaSPress/status/1170782090268303363 ~

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:10 AM Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org> wrote:

Hi Ma (Janie), Susan, Gilberts, Kirkbrides, Laws, and my mother's Brown side of my family, Mark, and All, 

I've recently e-met Derrick Leigh, (who's my 4th cousin), who reached out thanks to a DNA match. We met via Ancestry messaging, and I'm learning much from him about George Kirkbride, and some about our common ancestor, Mary Law, George's mother. I'd like to introduce you all to Derrick here in this email thread. (And here's the Ancestry link to Derrick Leigh and Scott MacLeod's DNA match - https://www.ancestry.com/account/profile/005a9f9d-0006-0000-0000-000000000000?compareToTestId=FBC34825-6562-46E4-95F8-8A6FF7864CF7 :!) What other information and recollections do we have about George Kirkbride or his mother, Mary Law, might we have? Thank you, Derrick, for reaching out!

And Mark, (my first cousin on our father's side of the family), thanks for your great and growing knowledge about our forebear and great great grandfather James Edward McLeod / MacLeod - and re the Ancestry platform too. Our genealogy conversation together has been particularly generative - re both our MacLeod line, as well as about Ancestry itself. And here too is the Ancestry link to Mark MacLeod and Scott MacLeod's DNA match - https://www.ancestry.com/account/profile/06543b97-0006-0000-0000-000000000000?compareToTestId=FBC34825-6562-46E4-95F8-8A6FF7864CF7 !).

I think Derrick may have particular insight into and knowledge about aspects of my mother's side of the family (see our messaging below, as further documenting). Perhaps we can provide more information about Mary Law and George Kirkbride. Am hoping we can all keep this conversation going also with occasional group emails. 

Mark, Derrick and I so far are the active Ancestry.com users that I know of.

Our Ancestry profiles - 

Derrick Leigh - 

https://www.ancestry.com/account/profile/005a9f9d-0006-0000-0000-000000000000

Mark K MacLeod

https://www.ancestry.com/account/profile/06543b97-0006-0000-0000-000000000000

Scott MacLeod

https://www.ancestry.com/account/profile/07376f97-0006-0000-0000-000000000000

I'm just family history sharing, and learning here too, about the Ancestry platform newly re this DNA information for genealogy. 

Susan (Harvey), what kind of format is the genealogy information that your brother Pete (Gilbert) might have? Pete? Is it documents or is it genealogy software or? Looking forward to learning more from all of you! 

Greetings, Derrick!

Warm regards, Scott