grey parrot (Psittacus erithacus): What is consciousness? 'conscious mental states'>http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2020/04/red-trillium-cow-and-calf-what-is-cow.html #WUaSconsciousness >Explore w #ActualVirtual #PhysicalDigital & could one w #FilmTo3D App at atomic&cellular levels CODE for conscious TALKING neural processes in #GooglePoly, a library of virtual objects? * "Chalmers argues that consciousness is a fundamental property ontologically autonomous of any known (or even possible) physical properties,[14] and that there may be lawlike rules which he terms "psychophysical laws" that determine which physical systems are associated with which types of qualia" * * * [CamPhilEvents] Maiya Jordan at Mental Sciences on Self-Deception Thursday May 20th 16:00-17:30 * "Dear Scott, Thanks for the questions! I haven't really thought about self-deception in other animals" * And as philosophers of mind, here's a wee 'riff' on '"an organism has conscious mental states if and only if there is something that it is like to be that organism—something it is like for the organism" ... ' ... As if ' too ... And could one with a #FilmTo3D App at the molecular and cellular levels code for conscious neural processes (perhaps as someone is speaking too) into Google Poly, a library of virtual objects (which is closing in June I think)? * * Tuesday, April 28, 2020 Red trillium: Cow and calf - What is cow consciousness? or cattle awareness?

Cow & calf


Ma,

Came across this cow & calf in photo at dusk on my walk today, just before a very nice 3-way lookout on a saddle ... nice to see (and the rusty basin is to their left up a hill). After a long uphill walk on nice evening, turned around here. What is cow consciousness, I've been asking myself.

They're aware, and am not sure how much they remember, and herd connection seems to be part of their 'thereness' - as consciousness. Their cattle consciousness is different from bat consciousness, and dog consciousness for ex. Not clear how a scientist would characterize their consciousness (how in their brains bodymind what we could call consciousness finds form) ...or if Cows could talk, how they would characterize it from the 'inside.' (Or how I'd characterize this ...) ... so am not sure how to bring the 3rd and 1st person or bodymind (re cows) accounts together, but I'd suggest cow consciousness has parallels with human consciousness.

Their awareness as consciousness is in their vision & other senses - and somehow in cow cognition - but living in fields, and eating grass, and with no language, their consciousness seems staid ... and also not language-centric. What is cow consciousness further, I wonder ... and as a way to think about human consciousness ?

:) And how to explore too connecting with Z? :)

Love, Scott



Cow & calf photo in Canyon, CA:




What a lovely image at dusk.

I think I’m seeing more during this pandemic; the little things.  The details.

Have a good day.

Love, Ma



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Thanks, Ma, - albeit a little difficult to see given low light levels ... so glad you're seeing things anew, and more, in this pandemic ... and details ... So, further, in the asking about cattle awareness or consciousness ...

Am asking what is "cattle consciousness" ... that is, what is it like to be a cattle / cow? Perhaps this means, per your email, what is it like to see like a cattle (singular) and re the details that a cattle might see with awareness and consciousness - both objectively and subjectively (which like the impossibility, at this time, of reconciling the 1st and 3rd person accounts linguistically for humans - or 1st and 3rd bodymind in the case of a cattle, male or female) ... or bringing together a scientific view of a cattle's consciousness with a 'personal' or better 'cattle-centric' account what they are aware of ... (In writing this, am observing newly some linguistic challenges too in exploring these questions philosophically in words :)

Consciousness, philosophically - western, is a mystery ... and re Yoga it's about a kind of oneness with the Seer, big S ... a very different account and contextualizing of ideas and experiences :)

'Consciousness easy and hard problems' (see below, and re Chalmers) - and "What is it like to be a bat?" essay inform some of these questions ... but it's fascinating per your observation that we're seeing new details during this pandemic ... and how would this work regarding becoming conscious in new ways?

Love, Scott
'consciousness easy and hard problems'

Hard problem of consciousness
"The hard problem of consciousness is the problem of explaining why and how sentient organisms have qualia [note 1] or phenomenal experiences—how and why it is that some internal states are subjective, felt states, such as heat or pain, rather than merely nonsubjective, unfelt states, as in a thermostat or a toaster.[2]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness

Easy problem of consciousness
""easy problems" of explaining the ability to discriminate, integrate information, report mental states, focus attention, and so forth.[4] Easy problems are (relatively) easy because all that is required for their solution is to specify a mechanism that can perform the function.[4]"




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Ma,

A new image idea came to me re Scottish small piping

Playing the Scottish small pipes, I'd like to be a kind of space ship that soars down from the atmosphere and with a series of tones transports you the listener to another world. :)

Love, Scott


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It's the otherness of Scottish kilt and attire that can compliment this vision of cultural alien of spaceship bagpiper playing beautiful bagpipe as (inscrutable) computer code that I'd like to highlight as vision with video even in my upcoming 'Honey in the Bag' Scottish Small Pipes' album. (Indians. India. Hippies - at Harbin Hot Springs esp - can all get very beautifully to this other cultural liminal luminaries' space, in visionary clothes too, - and with music). I won't suggest that spaceship bagpipe computer small piping is anything like shooting a ray gun for tele-transportation  "Beam me up, Scotty" from Star Trek. ... but this Scottish alien envisioning could contribute to a vision of freedom for Scotland as well, Ma! ;)

Love, Scott

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Angela Farmer also explores vision. She's very visionary as a Yogini and artistic (as are most peoples in this ethnic dress or clothes, and music ... culturally and identity-wise as well ... People like Angela are able to see this in others in ways that other people don't, in my experience, and she's able too to elicit this further interestingly :) ... but with this spaceship bagpiping otherness envisioning ... am curious how it will inform my daily playing toward being able to transform people listening to another space ('flow' experiences yes ) ... but also with a kind of well played computer code ray gun from tele-transportation) ... in a science fiction vein, yes ... but it's learning further how to small pipe in these regards to elicit this further as I teleport from spaceship to earth in kilt, perhaps on porch in Canyon, with hills in background ... to play wonderfully all the tunes I'm planning for "Honey in the Bag" ...

And you, Ma, and further seeing details? Consciousness-wise as well? :))

Love, Scott
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Beautiful, and thanks for the learning opportunity too!