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MIT Global Humanities' conference Day 2 'Worlds Enough and Time: Towards a Comparative Global Humanities'
Sunil, Whitney, Daivi, David, All -
Here's Google Street View with Time Slider in my ethnographic field site -
~ http://tinyurl.com/p62rpcg ~ https://twitter.com/HarbinBook ~ http://bit.ly/HarbinBook ~ http://www.scottmacleod.com/ActualVirtualHarbinBook.html ~
Adding 'text in the side bar" functionality is what I hope Google will add ...
Sunil - am curious if with some of the texts you study in the sidebar, how we might explore orality with iterating realistic avatar bots in the main 'street' :) part of Street View (Have added these 3 pictures to Google Street View - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2021/11/owens-peak-wilderness_02004565726.html - as part of ethno-wiki-virtual-world-graphy, and as a further 'pragmatism' development of this new theory and method for humanities, hermeneutics, ethnography, linguistics, and history...)
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Great, Diana, Global Humanities' scholars, re curriculum and pedagogy - brainstorming-wise, how might we do this with -
https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Humanities (planned as wiki subject too for open teaching and learning) ... and in all ~200 countries, as major online universities -
https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Nation_States - and - not only in all 7,139 known LIVING languages - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Languages - but potentially in all 'extinct' languages, some how which older textual languages we've touched on here in this 'Worlds Enough and Time' gathering?
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Thank you so much Jurgen! Am curious about the idea of culture alluded to in these 2 days ... (how might the idea of counter-culture give form to new language for the flower of the 'culture' word, - Alexander Forte, post-agricultural harvest, for example, but in many ways; "Naked Harbin Ethnography" 2016 Academic Press at World Univ & Sch, an Actual-Virtual ethnography develops some of these questions regarding an counterculture further ~ http://tinyurl.com/p62rpcg ~ https://twitter.com/HarbinBook ~ http://bit.ly/HarbinBook ~). Can you offer some concluding comments on the idea of counterculture, regarding 'culture,' please, Juergen (in a riffing or brainstorming way)? Thank you!
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Thanks for these edifying talks, with their amazing linguistic, translation, place, and historical diversity, Daivi, Sunil, David, Whitney.
How could your talks and their resources all be added to a realistic virtual earth for hermeneutics, including regarding mapping texts in their places, languages and time? Think adding all your texts and objects to a Google Street View with time slider, Maps, Earth, TensorFlowAI, Translate, and even eventually with iterating realistic avatar bots that speak the languages your texts and maps, and art, were written and created in. (Am calling this ethno-wiki-virtual-world-graphy as a new social theory, and newly humanities-wiki-virtual-world-graphing or history- ... -graphy)
Sunil Sharma, thank you, and am curious further how to model, for example, in a single realistic virtual earth, questions of imitation or replication - regarding the 'meme' concept, from imitation to the parrot image and metaphorically too (https://stanford.library.sydney.edu.au/archives/fall2008/entries/replication/).
Whitney, and thank you, - how to both code for all 85 cognitive communicative mechanisms re Envisioning and Conflation - including instantiating these via examples (the brood hen regarding Hopkins' poem, for ex.) - in a realistic virtual earth for poetry too?
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Transcript of the interesting text chat -
Martin Puchner to Everyone (5:15 AM)
Perhaps without video?
Me to Everyone (5:18 AM)
Please share the power point.
Wayne Defremery to Everyone (5:22 AM)
The file has been moved
Andrew Ollett to Everyone (5:37 AM)
"translation" in the quote from Nakhshabi's preface = tarjuma?
Mana Kia to Everyone (5:38 AM)
Tarjama can also be “account” and is used for “biographies” too
Me to Everyone (6:08 AM)
Thanks for these edifying talks, with their amazing linguistic, translation, place, and historical diversity, Daivi, Sunil, David, Whitney.
Me to Everyone (6:08 AM)
How could your talks and their resources all be added to a realistic virtual earth for hermeneutics, including regarding mapping texts in their places, languages and time? Think adding all your texts and objects to a Google Street View with time slider, Maps, Earth, TensorFlowAI, Translate, and even eventually with iterating realistic avatar bots that speak the languages your texts and maps, and art, were written and created in. (Am calling this ethno-wiki-virtual-world-graphy as a new social theory, and newly humanities-wiki-virtual-world-graphing or history- ... -graphy)
Me to Everyone (6:09 AM)
Sunil Sharma, thank you, and am curious further how to model, for example, in a single realistic virtual earth, questions of imitation or replication - regarding the 'meme' concept, from imitation to the parrot image and metaphorically too (https://stanford.library.sydney.edu.au/archives/fall2008/entries/replication/).
Me to Everyone (6:09 AM)
Whitney, and thank you, - how to both code for all 85 cognitive communicative mechanisms re Envisioning and Conflation - including instantiating these via examples (the brood hen regarding Hopkins' poem, for ex.) - in a realistic virtual earth for poetry too?
Olga Blomgren to Everyone (6:13 AM)
David, thank you for your presentation! I wonder if you think the concept of creolization, or creolized humanities, may better represent the multiplicities and processes you are studying with the map. Also, maybe the Spanish empire is another archipelagized location on your larger mental map.
Mana Kia to Everyone (6:14 AM)
Daivi, I also was fascinated with the very concept of ajami, which Persian was the first version of. Here you are thinking about it generalized, as a vernacular written in Arabic script, rather than a way to name the specific language speaker/place where language is spoken, as ajam is in the Islamic east. What could thinking about this concept in eastern Islamic contexts comparative do for your project of decolonization? I ask because the concept of “indigenous” itself grows out of the colonial episteme of native-foriegner.
Mana Kia to Everyone (6:19 AM)
David, that is a really fascinating model of circulation with which to think culture. Thank you!
Mana Kia to Everyone (6:23 AM)
Sunil, I am also fascinated with the change of form from prose to poetry. I wonder how to think this with the opposite movement, when texts first written in poetry get rendered into the “lower” prestige form of prose. Could this be a transformation of genre too, since genre and form are so intertwined?
Diana Henderson to Everyone (6:26 AM)
The rethinking of source study and adaptation studies (at least applied in my subfield of Shakespeare/EM Drama) also has had some value for expanding on translation studies work, across medium & as multimedia.
Tristan Brown to Everyone (6:30 AM)
On the topic of translation and theories of translation, the Ming court established a Bureau of Translation, which focused mainly on translating Persian into Chinese. Graeme Ford has a new article on this (“The Uses of Persian in Imperial China: Translating Practices at the Ming Court”).
Me to Everyone (6:31 AM)
Sunil, Whitney, Daivi, David, All -
Here's Google Street View with Time Slider in my ethnographic field site -
~ http://tinyurl.com/p62rpcg ~ https://twitter.com/HarbinBook ~ http://bit.ly/HarbinBook ~ http://www.scottmacleod.com/ActualVirtualHarbinBook.html ~
Me to Everyone (6:31 AM)
Adding 'text in the side bar" functionality is what I hope Google will add ...
Sunil - am curious if with some of the texts you study in the sidebar, how we might explore orality with iterating realistic avatar bots in the main 'street' :) part of Street View (Have added these 3 pictures to Google Street View - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2021/11/owens-peak-wilderness_02004565726.html - as part of ethno-wiki-virtual-world-graphy, and as a further 'pragmatism' development of this new theory and method for humanities, hermeneutics, ethnography, linguistics, and history...)
Me to Everyone (6:52 AM)
Vade libra! (sp?:)
Stephanie Frampton to Everyone (6:52 AM)
Vade, liber!
Diana Henderson to Everyone (6:53 AM)
+1 to both Stephanie’s and Alex’s moving in direction of dynamics v. more static objectification (only) in our vocab. In that spirit, Jeff Masten (in text/editing) and I (re. Rewritings & performance across media) use diachronic collaboration. [for my purposes, precisely b/c meanings complicated, not good/bad per se] Footnote: maybe b/c I’m left-handed, not negatively “sinister” to “impersonate” in all instances, only some that need further contextualization—(im)personation was “acting”, so more like performativity (in potential, & in conjuring conservative fear among antitheatrical critics). All so great: thanks!
Arthur Bahr to Everyone (6:55 AM)
Nice comments to great papers, Diana
Daivi Rodima-Taylor to Everyone (7:21 AM)
Hi Mana, thanks for moderating and for your question, yes, our project is attempting comparisons between the use of Ajami in 4 different West African languages. I am particularly interested in the collaborative dimension of meaning-making that could bring in local communities as equal partners in these conversations, and the also the material dimensions of it, such as technology as well as Western-centric institutions that shape these conversations, both for people in the Global South as well as marginalized communities in the Global North.
Sandy Alexandre to Everyone (7:23 AM)
@Stephanie: No need to answer now. Just thinking out loud, but I do wonder if the genre of the slave narrative’s “trope of the talking book,” which describes a pattern of how the formerly enslaved wrote about their first encounters with the book—that the book always seemed to “talk” to white masters but not to enslaved blacks—could offer an additional perspective about the book’s mobility (as accessibility).
Mana Kia to Everyone (7:27 AM)
Daivi, I think that is an important ethical direction of humanistic formulation. I just wonder of the effect of using indigenous (versus vernacular) on other languages that don’t retain use in contemporary local communities, like West African Arabic texts? Would these then become “not indigenous”?
Stephanie Frampton to Everyone (7:27 AM)
Sandy, thank you for the suggestion! That’s a fascinating parallel.
Me to Everyone (7:28 AM)
Thanks you and for fascinating talk, Michael, (Apologies but, I don’t speak Chinese - is this Su Shi you’re referring to - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_Shi ?) Thanks!
Margery Resnick to Everyone (7:30 AM)
Scholars in my field are just beginning to jump into the dynamics of the “book” in the encounters of Spanish and indigenous populations of Latin America. Sandy’s comment resonated with me as the Spanish texts and those who could read them were deeply embedded in the colonial experience.
Beth Harper to Everyone (7:31 AM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhu_Xi
Me to Everyone (7:31 AM)
Thanks!
Diana Henderson to Everyone (7:32 AM)
Yesterday I said next conference might discuss curriculum: today, I’m thinking + pedagogy!
Michael Puett to Everyone (7:33 AM)
Thanks so much, Scott! The figure I was referring to was Zhu Xi.
Tristan Brown to Everyone (7:33 AM)
+1 Diana! The pedagogical dimensions are fascinating
Diana Henderson to Everyone (7:34 AM)
[just a suggestion, as I suspect our actual practices are so much more creative than what we might fear—not that we aren’t inculcating, but how could we not? To what end, how—would be fun.]
Martin Puchner to Everyone (7:34 AM)
Diana, I agree. I was very much struck by Xianyao Xiao paper on the “dualistic” way of teaching world literature, i.e. China/West, which is very different from the plural vision many here have talked about. There is often a disconnect between scholarship and pedagogical practices, especially in a global humanities classroom. Worth exploring.
Daivi Rodima-Taylor to Everyone (7:35 AM)
Thanks, Mana - I don't think the word "indigenous" is proper to use for languages (so I believe we agree, if I understand you correctly), I believe I only referred to "indigenous communities" in the Global North, highlighting the colonial implications there too, alongside with the communities in the Global South
Me to Everyone (7:38 AM)
Great, Diana, Global Humanities' scholars, re curriculum and pedagogy - brainstorming-wise, how might we do this with -
https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Humanities (planned as wiki subject too for open teaching and learning) ... and in all ~200 countries, as major online universities -
https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Nation_States - and - not only in all 7,139 known LIVING languages - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Languages - but potentially in all 'extinct' languages, some how which older textual languages we've touched on here in this 'Worlds Enough and Time' gathering?
Alexander Forte to Everyone (7:38 AM)
Regarding 'thick' vs. 'thin' anthropological description in the cases of literary practice (and the categorization of writing practices as 'literature of x'), see https://arcade.stanford.edu/content/race-thick-and-thin
Mana Kia to Everyone (7:43 AM)
I really liked the way these papers brought us back to the importance of the non-textual (visual, embodiment, or material objects), and also to the de facto demarcating line of text (and originals), which bears scrutiny.
Wayne, the remove of machine reading is like another iteration of the remove from manuscripts and handwriting created by print.
Wayne Defremery to Everyone (7:51 AM)
Thanks Manna. Yes, machine learning provides another way to copy :)
Wayne Defremery to Everyone (7:57 AM)
Mana-- Sorry to have added an extra n...
Stephanie Frampton to Everyone (8:08 AM)
Apologies everyone that I must go before the final discussion. Thank you to all for a wonderful conference — I hope these conversations continue!
Me to Everyone (8:09 AM)
Thank you Stephanie for your excellent talk!
Beth Harper to Everyone (8:18 AM)
I think I will graciously bow out now as it’s after midnight here in Hong Kong. I will catch the rest of the Juergen’s wonderful keynote on the recording and thank you again for such wonderful papers. Much food for thought! And special thank to Wiebke and the other organisers for all your hard work and bringing an idea into a vibrant reality!
Alexander Forte to Everyone (8:18 AM)
Thank you Beth!
Me to Everyone (8:23 AM)
(With 2-3 channels for communication in group video conferencing!)
Whitney Cox to Everyone (8:34 AM)
I was completely gripped by Jürgen’s concluding remarks: thank you so much. I’m afraid though that I was looking at my watch towards the end, as I need to leave. Thank you Wiebke, Alex, Tristan, and Jessica: this was a fantastic two days. Dear all, I look forward to continuing these conversations.
Alexander Forte to Everyone (8:34 AM)
Thank you Whitney!
David Carrasco to Everyone (8:36 AM)
Marvelous map given by Professor Osterhammel.. I have to move on to another commitment. Thank you for this learning 'community'.
Me to Everyone (8:36 AM)
Thank you so much Jurgen! Am curious about the idea of culture alluded to in these 2 days ... (how might the idea of counter-culture give form to new language for the flower of the 'culture' word, - Alexander Forte, post-agricultural harvest, for example, but in many ways; "Naked Harbin Ethnography" 2016 Academic Press at World Univ & Sch, an Actual-Virtual ethnography develops some of these questions regarding an counterculture further ~ http://tinyurl.com/p62rpcg ~ https://twitter.com/HarbinBook ~ http://bit.ly/HarbinBook ~). Can you offer some concluding comments on the idea of counterculture, regarding 'culture,' please, Juergen (in a riffing or brainstorming way)? Thank you!
Xinyao Xiao to Everyone (8:38 AM)
Thank you everyone for this illuminating conference! I have to leave but I look forward to more intellectual conversations in the future:)
Alexander Forte to Everyone (8:38 AM)
Thank you Xinyao!
Martin Puchner to Everyone (8:39 AM)
Yes, I agree. It’s too easy to just blame narrow-minded administrators (though those exist, of course). Do we want to “blame” the students who don’t attend our classes in the same way? Their parents? Another reason, think, to think about education; public humanities, and how they interact with our project here.
Me to Everyone (8:39 AM)
Thank you Xinyao as well (and am curious to follow up regarding Humanities’ in China re a complementary Reed College approach too, and in some main Chinese languages)!
Daivi Rodima-Taylor to Everyone (8:40 AM)
Many thanks to everyone for fascinating discussions, and to Juergen Osterhammel for the wonderful keynote comments!
Mana Kia to Everyone (8:42 AM)
Thank you, everyone. This has been enormously generative and transformative for how I will return to my paper. I must run.
Alexander Forte to Everyone (8:43 AM)
Thank you Daivi and thank you Mana!
Olga Blomgren to Everyone (8:44 AM)
One more question for all: How might the views of translation we’ve been discussing today - Calling attention to, speaking of and teaching texts as translations and introducing various theories and ideas of translation, Translation as the creation of something new, which didn’t exist in the target language before [creolization, transculturation], translation as transcreation - broaden the ways we think of and create a comparative global humanities? Maybe especially for the unknown [to us] islands of the sea and various elsewheres?
I also support future conversations + pedagogy!
Martin Puchner to Everyone (8:45 AM)
Thank you, Wiebke, Tristan, and Alex.
Me to Everyone (8:45 AM)
Thanks so much, Wiebke, Tristan, and Alex!
Diana Henderson to Everyone (8:45 AM)
And thanks Jess for making it happen and keeping it going!
Alexander Forte to Everyone (8:46 AM)
Yes, without Jess we would be fumbling in the dark!
Shankar Raman to Everyone (8:46 AM)
Indeed, and on a Saturday too! Thank you Jess!!!
Jessica TranVo | She/Her to Everyone (8:46 AM)
Thank you for coming!
Shankar Raman to Everyone (8:46 AM)
Thé beautiful poster too!
Me to Everyone (8:46 AM)
Thank you, Jess!
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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/132846415/paul-william-de_fremery
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/marinij/name/mary-de-fremery-obituary?id=22005904
http://www.newscj.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=137424
https://magazine.swissinformatics.org/en/documenting-and-preserving-heritage-creatively/
https://ealc.fas.harvard.edu/people/peter-wayne-de-fremery
https://gks.sogang.ac.kr/english/2_2_academics_detail.php?id_academics=3
https://books.google.com/books/about/How_Poetry_Mattered_in_1920s_Korea.html?id=028utAEACAAJ
https://lit.mit.edu/people/stapscott/#:~:text=Stephen%20Tapscott%20is%20a%20poet%20whose%20fields%20of,genre%2C%20creative%20writing%20%28poetry%2C%20experimental%20prose%29%2C%20and%20translation.
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Is some of the following 'thin description' per Alex Forte's sharing of this great article -
Race, Thick and Thin
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MIT Global Humanities' conference Day 2 'Worlds Enough and Time: Towards a Comparative Global Humanities'
(continued re this conference, new developments at WUaS Corporation, calling for abolition, comparison +)
Hi Ed ... did you just receive an email from me at 12:50 pm in this thread - 'Your 2nd invitation following on so soon our walk yesterday' ? I received a 'mailer daemon' to sgkmacleod@g ... failure... message, but it looks like otherwise the message may have gone through to about 60 people. Can you please confirm ? Thank you! - Scott
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Hey, hi Scott, yes, it came through. . ..
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in WUaS planning to code for all 7.8 billion people on the planet, brainstorming-wise each a Wikidata Pin # - and with developing artificial intelligence and machine learning & translation - (and also regarding coding for 7.8 billion people for these 5 items in this 2019 Season's Greetings' email - http://scott-macleod.
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Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org>
Thu, Nov 11, 2:07 PM (2 days ago)
to Janie, Larry, Edward, Sid, Jim, Henry, Claudia, Hugh, Alden, Barbara
Dear Ma, Larry, Ed, Sid, All,
A MIT Global Humanities' 2 day conference tomorrow at 8am ET 5am PT if you might be interested. It's free and open.
Much much relevance for CC-4 MIT OCW-centric World University & School regarding both Humanities, planned in 200 countries and in their main languages, for free-to-students' degrees - https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Humanities - and regarding building further MIT networks, even eventually hiring MIT graduate students and postdocs. ...
LIT@MIT @LITatMIT Nov 10
This Friday! November, 12th & Saturday, November 13th @ 8:00am (ET) "Worlds Enough and Time: Towards a Comparative Global Humanities" with
@LITatMIT @HistoryMit @MIT_SHASS @MITevents
Register & learn more here: https://comparativeglobalhumanities.mit.edu
https://twitter.com/LITatMIT/status/1458444563538907148?s=20
Learned of it on MIT Professor of Literature & Shakespeare Diana Henderson's Twitter -
https://twitter.com/DianaHe23732776
Scott
Follows on the 5am Harvard Smartphone's Symposium last week at 5am too - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2021/11/kata-tjuta-australia.html (for me). Please come join in if interested! :)
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