Consciousness too? ~
What can #LargeLanguageModels do?
— Languages-World Univ (@sgkmacleod) July 19, 2023
At their core ... #LLMs, are a type of AI that can mimic human intelligence. They use statistical models to analyze vast amounts of data, learning the patterns & connections between words & phrases.https://t.co/L1xKogsJ4W #WUaSConsciousness too?
At their core, large language models, or LLMs, are a type of AI that can mimic human intelligence. They use statistical models to analyze vast amounts of data, learning the patterns and connections between words and phrases.
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Water Lily: (BD - National flower of Bangladesh): Recording Sat 7/15/23 @WorldUnivAndSch @WUaSPress Monthly Business Meeting & Video (& Text) Minutes * * * LinkedIN & Twitter + The open M, 7/17/2023 @WorldUnivAndSch @WUaSPress #WUaSNewsAndQA Recording & Announcements * * * * Excited for when we can add first genes back into our body minds for specific aging reversal processes, FDA approved * * * With #LargeLanguageModelsForBiology building on Google's #LLM expertise w 1) LaMDA 2) PaLM 3) BERT, How best to develop 1 #RealisticVirtualEarth #ForBiology (& for Aging Reversal Genetics too)? * * * Popular open-source #LargeLanguageModels GPT-4 by OpenAI, LaMDA by Google + - Generative Pre-trained Transformer ... * * * searched 'best books on the genetics of aging reversal': "A Science-Based Review of the World’s Best-Selling Book on Aging" ~ mentions "Lifespan: Why We Age and Why We Don’t Have To" (Sinclair & LaPlante, 2019) . . . with a paper on Drosophila fly life extension in this NIH.gov article too * * * Is Google Bard a large language model? Yes * Is google bard machine learning? Yes ~ Both Google Bard and ChatGPT use natural language models and machine learning to create their chatbots, but each has a different set of features * * Google Large Language Models - LaMDA by Google PaLM by Google BERT by Google https://spotintelligence.com/2023/06/05/open-source-large-language-models/ but Bard by Google isn't mentioned here
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2023/07/water-lily-national-flower-of-bangladesh.html
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'What Is It Like to Be a Bat?' seminal 1974 #PhilosophyPaper by #TomNagel Can we ask key consciousness questions including re "possible insolubility of the mind–body problem" w #LargeLanguageModels in a #RealisticVirtualEarthFor Consciousness Brains etc ? https://t.co/p22aWaU9UJ~ https://t.co/p52bE0vrge
— Languages-World Univ (@sgkmacleod) July 19, 2023
tom nagel's keynote talk at @ASSC26NYC: "psychophysical monism as an ideal". this is a rare video of tom discussing consciousness. now emeritus at NYU, tom rarely speaks at conferences, but this one was just two blocks from his home so he couldn't say no. https://t.co/gufG86QieY
— David Chalmers (@davidchalmers42) July 17, 2023
Thomas Nagel: Psychophysical Monism as an Ideal | ASSC26
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Good wiki explication of the philosophical questions Tom Nagel's 1974 "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?" paper raises about mind-body questions, and regarding consciousness -
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What Is It Like to Be a Bat?
"What Is It Like to Be a Bat?" is a paper by American philosopher Thomas Nagel, first published in The Philosophical Review in October 1974, and later in Nagel's Mortal Questions (1979). The paper presents several difficulties posed by consciousness, including the possible insolubility of the mind–body problem owing to "facts beyond the reach of human concepts", the limits of objectivity and reductionism, the "phenomenological features" of subjective experience, the limits of human imagination, and what it means to be a particular, conscious thing.[1]
Nagel famously asserts that "an organism has conscious mental states if and only if there is something that it is like to be that organism—something it is like for the organism."[2] This assertion has achieved special status in consciousness studies as "the standard 'what it's like' locution."[3] Daniel Dennett, while sharply disagreeing on some points, acknowledged Nagel's paper as "the most widely cited and influential thought experiment about consciousness."[4]: 441
Thesis[edit]
Nagel challenges the possibility of explaining "the most important and characteristic feature of conscious mental phenomena" by reductive materialism (the philosophical position that all statements about the mind and mental states can be translated, without any loss or change in meaning, into statements about the physical). For example, a reductive physicalist's solution to the mind–body problem holds that whatever "consciousness" is, it can be fully described via physical processes in the brain and body.[5]
Nagel begins by assuming that "conscious experience is a widespread phenomenon" present in many animals (particularly mammals), even though it is "difficult to say [...] what provides evidence of it." Thus, Nagel sees consciousness not as something exclusively human, but as something shared by many, if not all, organisms. Nagel must be speaking of something other than sensory perception, since objective facts and widespread evidence show that organisms with sensory organs have biological processes of sensory perception. In fact, what all organisms share, according to Nagel, is what he calls the "subjective character of experience" defined as follows: "An organism has conscious mental states if and only if there is something that it is like to be that organism – something that it is like for the organism."[1]
The paper argues that the subjective nature of consciousness undermines any attempt to explain consciousness via objective, reductionist means. The subjective character of experience cannot be explained by a system of functional or intentional states. Consciousness cannot be fully explained if the subjective character of experience is ignored, and the subjective character of experience cannot be explained by a reductionist; it is a mental phenomenon that cannot be reduced to materialism.[6] Thus, for consciousness to be explained from a reductionist stance, the idea of the subjective character of experience would have to be discarded, which is absurd. Neither can a physicalist view, because in such a world each phenomenal experience had by a conscious being would have to have a physical property attributed to it, which is impossible to prove due to the subjectivity of conscious experience. Nagel argues that each and every subjective experience is connected with a "single point of view", making it infeasible to consider any conscious experience as "objective".
Nagel uses the metaphor of bats to clarify the distinction between subjective and objective concepts. Because bats are mammals, they are assumed to have conscious experience. Nagel was inspired to use a bat for his argument after living in a home where the animals were frequent visitors. Nagel ultimately used bats for his argument because of their highly evolved and active use of a biological sensory apparatus that is significantly different from that of many other organisms. Bats use echolocation to navigate and perceive objects. This method of perception is similar to the human sense of vision. Both sonar and vision are regarded as perceptual experiences. While it is possible to imagine what it would be like to fly, navigate by sonar, hang upside down and eat insects like a bat, that is not the same as a bat's perspective. Nagel claims that even if humans were able to metamorphose gradually into bats, their brains would not have been wired as a bat's from birth; therefore, they would only be able to experience the life and behaviors of a bat, rather than the mindset.[7]
Such is the difference between subjective and objective points of view. According to Nagel, "our own mental activity is the only unquestionable fact of our experience", meaning that each individual only knows what it is like to be them (subjectivism). Objectivity requires an unbiased, non-subjective state of perception. For Nagel, the objective perspective is not feasible, because humans are limited to subjective experience.
Nagel concludes with the contention that it would be wrong to assume that physicalism is incorrect, since that position is also imperfectly understood. Physicalism claims that states and events are physical, but those physical states and events are only imperfectly characterized. Nevertheless, he holds that physicalism cannot be understood without characterizing objective and subjective experience. That is a necessary precondition for understanding the mind-body problem.
Criticisms[edit]
Daniel Dennett denies Nagel's claim that the bat's consciousness is inaccessible, contending that any "interesting or theoretically important" features of a bat's consciousness would be amenable to third-person observation.[4]: 442 For instance, it is clear that bats cannot detect objects more than a few meters away because echolocation has a limited range. Dennett holds that any similar aspects of its experiences could be gleaned by further scientific experiments.[4]: 443 He has also pointed out[8] that Nagel's argument and question were not new, but had previously been stated by B. A. Farrell in an article "Experience", in the Journal "Mind", in 1950.[9]
Kathleen Akins similarly argued that many questions about a bat's subjective experience hinge on unanswered questions about the neuroscientific details of a bat's brain (such as the function of cortical activity profiles), and Nagel is too quick in ruling these out as answers to his central question.[10][11]
Peter Hacker analyzes Nagel's statement as not only "malconstructed" but philosophically "misconceived" as a definition of consciousness,[12] and he asserts that Nagel's paper "laid the groundwork for…forty years of fresh confusion about consciousness."[13]: 13
Eric Schwitzgebel and Michael S. Gordon have argued that, contrary to Nagel, normal sighted humans do use echolocation much like bats - it is just that it is generally done without one's awareness. They use this to argue that normal people in normal circumstances can be grossly and systematically mistaken about their conscious experience.[14]
See also[edit]
References[edit]
- ^ ab Nagel, Thomas (10 March 2005). Honderich, Ted (ed.). The Oxford Companion to Philosophy. Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 637. ISBN 978-0-19-103747-4.
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Saint Gabriel's Celestial Brass Band (Lafayette, near Canyon 94516, SF Bay Area) - Tom Wiggins' call on Tue 7/18/23
Lynne Miller
(415) 452-4220
House of Bagpipes SF
LynneMiller@HouseOfBagPipes.
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http://houseofbagpipes.com/
(Lynne is great)
Jeff Campbell -
925 470 3556 M
piperjeff@comcast.net
piper4peace@gmail.com
https://www.thebagpiper.org/
(I haven't ever met Jeff, but I like his website)
"Honey Piobaireachd"
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In addition to leader Tom Wiggins, members of the band are John Cocuzzi, Lech Wyrzinski, Buddy Apfel, Danny Armstrong, Paul Smith, Mike Rinta, Minor Williams, Marc Bolin, David Hardiman, Sr., and Frankie Bailey. The band welcomes all performance and festival invitations. Styles of music played include American jazz, gospel, soul, Zydecco, country and blues.
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Texting with my mother Wednesday July 19, 2023 ~ psychiatrist therapist John Sargent MD could have some federal oversight re my moving back into a newly safe Canyon 94516 on 9/1/23
So, Ma, psychiatrist therapist John Sargent MD could have some federal oversight re my moving back into a newly safe Canyon 94516 on 9/1/23 ... but legally can't talk about it with me too ... AND Regarding WHAT HE SAID IN MAY 2022 especially ... and know the laws ... Just got the first email in a LONG TIME from ISSIP ... indirectly from Jim Spohrer (MIT Alum like Don Tatzin from about the same time in the early 1970s ... ) And where Jim, as former IBMer too knows Ellin Barret, a long-time Canyonite from the late 1960s I think and her brother Neale Barret (a retired IBMer, who has visited Canyon some) ... ALSO Lisa Ximei Peng at the end of our conversation said "All good wishes (or similar) to me" ... which is good to hear regarding people who could call her about my having rented here ... eg like a Don Tatzin even? Do you want to see your MD psychiatrist therapist again soon Ma (or even choose a different one ... Per your inquiry to me just now? , Love, Scott (http://scott-macleod.
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Ma, just played "The Little Spree" Piobaireachd, the 3rd night in a row, better, helpful beforehand to listen to Donald MacLeod's tutorial again ... It's a classical music bagpipe piece about a man getting drunk interestingly ... somewhat melodious ... (but didn't make it onto my album ... Some of which are most beautiful to my ear and others nicely pretty ... and here's Colin MacLellan playing it - https://youtu.be/7T0irVtGkGI ... Did you make music today? Love, Scott (Got a phone call from Tom Wiggins in Lafayette CA, as BAND DIRECTOR of the St Gabriel's Celestial Brass Band (New Orleans' style jazz) ... asking if I could play on the 6th of August ... I called back and said I'd be on the other side of the country ... Could this call even come from Dick Robb in communication with Don Tatzin somehow? Maybe I will play with them in the autumn (will blog tomorrow about the email I sent Tom Wiggins Too ...Love, Scott
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Maybe me in the Game of Go will be a black stone piece that goes on the 670 Ridgecrest Rd Canyon Ca 94516 property board Ma ... and D another black stone as us black stones seek to encircle white stones being placed turn by turn on other interstices of the game board and other properties around the Bay Area too ... Here's a Game of Go board with pieces on it for the idea :)
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Ma, in this perspective, the little stone pieces in the Game of Go might have agency (or "the capacity of individuals to act independently and to make their own free choices, based on their will" - and metaphorically me as a black stone, for ex. :), Love, Scott
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#Canyon94516 in around 2017 https://t.co/14cQCIZQSF#SFBayArea In what ways can @WorldUnivAndSch@WUaSPress create a #WUaSAcademicMedicalCenter w virtual #HarbinHotSprings@HarbinBook& #PhysicalDigital#WUaSLongevityGeneticsInstitute w 6-10 species beginning 9/1/23? #wuAsVR ~
— Scott_GK_MacLeod_WUaS_worlduniversityandschool.org (@scottmacleod) July 19, 2023
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