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Caesalpinia pulcherrima, Pride Of Barbados (BB - National flower of Barbados): Consciousness too? ~ What can #LargeLanguageModels do? At their core ... #LLMs are a type of AI that can mimic human intelligence. They use statistical models to analyze vast amounts of data, learning the patterns & connections between words & phrases. https://www.boost.ai/blog/llms-large-language-models #WUaSConsciousness too? * * "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?' seminal 1974 #PhilosophyPaper by #TomNagel Can we ask key consciousness questions including re "possible insolubility of the mind–body problem" with #LargeLanguageModels and a realistic virtual earth for consciousness, brain science etc? * * Good wiki explication of the philosophical questions Tom Nagel's 1974 "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?" paper raises about mind-body questions, and regarding consciousness . . . * * * Saint Gabriel's Celestial Brass Band (Lafayette, near Canyon 94516, SF Bay Area) - Tom Wiggins' call on Tue 7/18/23 - "Tom, thanks so much for your call, and the bagpiping inquiry. " * created 2 Scottish Small Pipes' albums - "Honey in the Bag" Ceol Beag or Light Music, mostly Marches, Strathspeys, Reels, Jigs, Hornpipes, Slow Airs & similar - https://scottmacleodhoneyinthebagscottishsmallpipesbagpiping.bandcamp.com/ (2020) "Honey Piobaireachd" Ceol Mor, or Piobaireachd, classical bagpipe music - https://scottmacleodpiobaireachdscottishsmallpipesbagpiping.bandcamp.com/ (2020) http://scottmacleod.com/piping.htm ... * * Texting with my mother Wednesday July 19, 2023 ~ psychiatrist therapist John Sargent MD could have some federal oversight re my moving back into a newly safe Canyon 94516 on 9/1/23, Agency, The Game of Go * * * #Canyon94516 in around 2017 https://photos.app.goo.gl/rsadXCrs7YqaQPK5A #SFBayArea

Next: Flax, Linum usitatissimum (BY - National flower of Belarus): alignment & gentle poses for hip issues - Iyengar yoga * 5 Yoga Stretches To Provide Relief From Hip Pain ~ Baddha Konasana Ardha Matsyendrasana Ananda Balasana Gomukhasana Viparita Karani * * #Consciousness re #PhilosophyOfMind & #WUaSMeditation #YogicConsciousness #AandVYoga questions in #RealisticVirtualEarthForConsciousness too Code for #AwarenessExperience as #SubjectiveExperience in #GoogleCellView w #AvatarBots? https://relaxresponse.com/research/ * * * Is #GoogleStreetView with #TextInTheSidebar pot. a #LargeLanguageModel to study consciousness? Add paper below, this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_It_Like_to_Be_a_Bat%3F as it is here http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/consciousness & code for #Consciousness #SubjectiveExperience in #GoogleCellView #GoogleMoleculeView w #AvatarBots? * * VR modeling of bat brain activity echolocation film to 3d youtube - Twitter * * * Excited for when we can add first genes back into our body minds, FDA approved, & have them #ReverseAging of some part of us, or system wide & per https://youtu.be/bnCEIPQFNnk (@ 45 secs fwd) per @geochurch @BillGates https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Genetics https://wiki.worlduniversityandschool.org/wiki/Longevity @WorldUnivAndSch ~
Previous: Water Lily: (BD - National flower of Bangladesh): Recording Sat 7/15/23 @WorldUnivAndSch @WUaSPress Monthly Business Meeting & Video (& Text) Minutes * * * LinkedIN & Twitter + The open M, 7/17/2023 @WorldUnivAndSch @WUaSPress #WUaSNewsAndQA Recording & Announcements * * * * Excited for when we can add first genes back into our body minds for specific aging reversal processes, FDA approved * * * With #LargeLanguageModelsForBiology building on Google's #LLM expertise w 1) LaMDA 2) PaLM 3) BERT, How best to develop 1 #RealisticVirtualEarth #ForBiology (& for Aging Reversal Genetics too)? * * * Popular open-source #LargeLanguageModels GPT-4 by OpenAI, LaMDA by Google + - Generative Pre-trained Transformer ... * * * searched 'best books on the genetics of aging reversal': "A Science-Based Review of the World’s Best-Selling Book on Aging" ~ mentions "Lifespan: Why We Age and Why We Don’t Have To" (Sinclair & LaPlante, 2019) . . . with a paper on Drosophila fly life extension in this NIH.gov article too * * * Is Google Bard a large language model? Yes * Is google bard machine learning? Yes ~ Both Google Bard and ChatGPT use natural language models and machine learning to create their chatbots, but each has a different set of features * * Google Large Language Models - LaMDA by Google PaLM by Google BERT by Google https://spotintelligence.com/2023/06/05/open-source-large-language-models/ but Bard by Google isn't mentioned here
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Consciousness too? ~ 

What can large language models do? 

What can #LargeLanguageModels do?
At their core ... #LLMs are a type of AI that can mimic human intelligence. They use statistical models to analyze vast amounts of data, learning the patterns & connections between words & phrases.











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What can large language models do?

At their core, large language models, or LLMs, are a type of AI that can mimic human intelligence. They use statistical models to analyze vast amounts of data, learning the patterns and connections between words and phrases.

https://www.boost.ai/blog/llms-large-language-models

#:~:text=At%20their%20core%2C%20large%20language,connections%20between%20words%20and%20phrases.


https://www.boost.ai/blog/llms-large-language-models#:~:text=At%20their%20core%2C%20large%20language,connections%20between%20words%20and%20phrases






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Water Lily: (BD - National flower of Bangladesh): Recording Sat 7/15/23 @WorldUnivAndSch @WUaSPress Monthly Business Meeting & Video (& Text) Minutes * * * LinkedIN & Twitter + The open M, 7/17/2023 @WorldUnivAndSch @WUaSPress #WUaSNewsAndQA Recording & Announcements * * * * Excited for when we can add first genes back into our body minds for specific aging reversal processes, FDA approved * * * With #LargeLanguageModelsForBiology building on Google's #LLM expertise w 1) LaMDA 2) PaLM 3) BERT, How best to develop 1 #RealisticVirtualEarth #ForBiology (& for Aging Reversal Genetics too)? * * * Popular open-source #LargeLanguageModels GPT-4 by OpenAI, LaMDA by Google + - Generative Pre-trained Transformer ... * * * searched 'best books on the genetics of aging reversal': "A Science-Based Review of the World’s Best-Selling Book on Aging" ~ mentions "Lifespan: Why We Age and Why We Don’t Have To" (Sinclair & LaPlante, 2019) . . . with a paper on Drosophila fly life extension in this NIH.gov article too * * * Is Google Bard a large language model? Yes * Is google bard machine learning? Yes ~ Both Google Bard and ChatGPT use natural language models and machine learning to create their chatbots, but each has a different set of features * * Google Large Language Models - LaMDA by Google PaLM by Google BERT by Google https://spotintelligence.com/2023/06/05/open-source-large-language-models/ but Bard by Google isn't mentioned here

https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2023/07/water-lily-national-flower-of-bangladesh.html





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"What Is It Like to Be a Bat?' seminal 1974 #PhilosophyPaper by #TomNagel Can we ask key consciousness questions including re "possible insolubility of the mind–body problem" with #LargeLanguageModels and a realistic virtual earth for consciousness, brain science etc?


'What Is It Like to Be a Bat?' seminal 1974 #PhilosophyPaper by #TomNagel Can we ask key consciousness questions including re "possible insolubility of the mind–body problem" w #LargeLanguageModels in a #RealisticVirtualEarthFor Consciousness Brains etc ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_It_Like_to_Be_a_Bat%3F ~











Retweeting -


tom nagel's keynote talk at @ASSC26NYC: "psychophysical monism as an ideal". this is a rare video of tom discussing consciousness. now emeritus at NYU, tom rarely speaks at conferences, but this one was just two blocks from his home so he couldn't say no.

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B. A. Farrell in an article "Experience", in the Journal "Mind", in 1950.







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Good wiki explication of the philosophical questions Tom Nagel's 1974 "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?" paper raises about mind-body questions, and regarding consciousness - 



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What Is It Like to Be a Bat?

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Thomas Nagel argues that while a human might be able to imagine what it is like to be a bat by taking "the bat's point of view", it would still be impossible "to know what it is like for a bat to be a bat." (Townsend's big-eared bat pictured).

"What Is It Like to Be a Bat?" is a paper by American philosopher Thomas Nagel, first published in The Philosophical Review in October 1974, and later in Nagel's Mortal Questions (1979). The paper presents several difficulties posed by consciousness, including the possible insolubility of the mind–body problem owing to "facts beyond the reach of human concepts", the limits of objectivity and reductionism, the "phenomenological features" of subjective experience, the limits of human imagination, and what it means to be a particular, conscious thing.[1]

Nagel famously asserts that "an organism has conscious mental states if and only if there is something that it is like to be that organism—something it is like for the organism."[2] This assertion has achieved special status in consciousness studies as "the standard 'what it's like' locution."[3] Daniel Dennett, while sharply disagreeing on some points, acknowledged Nagel's paper as "the most widely cited and influential thought experiment about consciousness."[4]: 441 

Thesis[edit]

"What Is it Like to Be a Bat?" was written by Thomas Nagel (pictured)

Nagel challenges the possibility of explaining "the most important and characteristic feature of conscious mental phenomena" by reductive materialism (the philosophical position that all statements about the mind and mental states can be translated, without any loss or change in meaning, into statements about the physical). For example, a reductive physicalist's solution to the mind–body problem holds that whatever "consciousness" is, it can be fully described via physical processes in the brain and body.[5]

Nagel begins by assuming that "conscious experience is a widespread phenomenon" present in many animals (particularly mammals), even though it is "difficult to say [...] what provides evidence of it." Thus, Nagel sees consciousness not as something exclusively human, but as something shared by many, if not all, organisms. Nagel must be speaking of something other than sensory perception, since objective facts and widespread evidence show that organisms with sensory organs have biological processes of sensory perception. In fact, what all organisms share, according to Nagel, is what he calls the "subjective character of experience" defined as follows: "An organism has conscious mental states if and only if there is something that it is like to be that organism – something that it is like for the organism."[1]

The paper argues that the subjective nature of consciousness undermines any attempt to explain consciousness via objective, reductionist means. The subjective character of experience cannot be explained by a system of functional or intentional states. Consciousness cannot be fully explained if the subjective character of experience is ignored, and the subjective character of experience cannot be explained by a reductionist; it is a mental phenomenon that cannot be reduced to materialism.[6] Thus, for consciousness to be explained from a reductionist stance, the idea of the subjective character of experience would have to be discarded, which is absurd. Neither can a physicalist view, because in such a world each phenomenal experience had by a conscious being would have to have a physical property attributed to it, which is impossible to prove due to the subjectivity of conscious experience. Nagel argues that each and every subjective experience is connected with a "single point of view", making it infeasible to consider any conscious experience as "objective".

Nagel uses the metaphor of bats to clarify the distinction between subjective and objective concepts. Because bats are mammals, they are assumed to have conscious experience. Nagel was inspired to use a bat for his argument after living in a home where the animals were frequent visitors. Nagel ultimately used bats for his argument because of their highly evolved and active use of a biological sensory apparatus that is significantly different from that of many other organisms. Bats use echolocation to navigate and perceive objects. This method of perception is similar to the human sense of vision. Both sonar and vision are regarded as perceptual experiences. While it is possible to imagine what it would be like to fly, navigate by sonar, hang upside down and eat insects like a bat, that is not the same as a bat's perspective. Nagel claims that even if humans were able to metamorphose gradually into bats, their brains would not have been wired as a bat's from birth; therefore, they would only be able to experience the life and behaviors of a bat, rather than the mindset.[7]

Such is the difference between subjective and objective points of view. According to Nagel, "our own mental activity is the only unquestionable fact of our experience", meaning that each individual only knows what it is like to be them (subjectivism). Objectivity requires an unbiased, non-subjective state of perception. For Nagel, the objective perspective is not feasible, because humans are limited to subjective experience.

Nagel concludes with the contention that it would be wrong to assume that physicalism is incorrect, since that position is also imperfectly understood. Physicalism claims that states and events are physical, but those physical states and events are only imperfectly characterized. Nevertheless, he holds that physicalism cannot be understood without characterizing objective and subjective experience. That is a necessary precondition for understanding the mind-body problem.

Criticisms[edit]

Daniel Dennett (pictured) has been a vocal critic of the paper's assertions

Daniel Dennett denies Nagel's claim that the bat's consciousness is inaccessible, contending that any "interesting or theoretically important" features of a bat's consciousness would be amenable to third-person observation.[4]: 442  For instance, it is clear that bats cannot detect objects more than a few meters away because echolocation has a limited range. Dennett holds that any similar aspects of its experiences could be gleaned by further scientific experiments.[4]: 443  He has also pointed out[8] that Nagel's argument and question were not new, but had previously been stated by B. A. Farrell in an article "Experience", in the Journal "Mind", in 1950.[9]

Kathleen Akins similarly argued that many questions about a bat's subjective experience hinge on unanswered questions about the neuroscientific details of a bat's brain (such as the function of cortical activity profiles), and Nagel is too quick in ruling these out as answers to his central question.[10][11]

Peter Hacker analyzes Nagel's statement as not only "malconstructed" but philosophically "misconceived" as a definition of consciousness,[12] and he asserts that Nagel's paper "laid the groundwork for…forty years of fresh confusion about consciousness."[13]: 13 

Eric Schwitzgebel and Michael S. Gordon have argued that, contrary to Nagel, normal sighted humans do use echolocation much like bats - it is just that it is generally done without one's awareness. They use this to argue that normal people in normal circumstances can be grossly and systematically mistaken about their conscious experience.[14]

See also[edit]

References[edit]

  1. Jump up to:a b Nagel, Thomas (10 March 2005). Honderich, Ted (ed.). The Oxford Companion to Philosophy. Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 637. ISBN 978-0-19-103747-4.

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Saint Gabriel's Celestial Brass Band (Lafayette, near Canyon 94516, SF Bay Area) - Tom Wiggins' call on Tue 7/18/23 


Tue July 18, 2023 

Hi there Scott MacLeod, this is Tom Wiggins. I'm the band leader for St. Gabriel Celestial Brass Band a New Orleans Jazz funeral marching band. I am in need of a few bagpipers for Memorial Funeral Service on August 6th to work with my band. Could you give me a call please? If you might be available and might be able to help me put this together for my clients. My number is 925-297-7544. Again, it's Tom Wiggins - w i g g i n s 925-297-7544. Thanks, Scott. Have a great day.
Tom Wiggins

Hi Tom, Saint Gabriel's Celestial Brass Band (in the East Bay of the SF Bay Area), All, 

Greetings! I just called you back, Tom, per your request. And here are two pipers as a starting point for your August 6 gig - 


Lynne Miller
(415) 452-4220
House of Bagpipes SF
LynneMiller@HouseOfBagPipes.com
lmiller1600@aol.com
http://houseofbagpipes.com/

(Lynne is great)


Jeff Campbell -
925 470 3556 M
Antioch, CA 
piperjeff@comcast.net
piper4peace@gmail.com
https://www.thebagpiper.org/ 

(I haven't ever met Jeff, but I like his website)


Tom, thanks so much for your call, and the bagpiping inquiry. I'll be on the other side of the country on August 6, sad to say. 

(I also don't play the Great Highland Bagpipe any longer, due to a right ear "eustachian tube dysfunction" development about 10 years ago, so I only the Scottish Small Pipes with bellows now, and created 2 Scottish Small Pipes' albums in the past 3 years - 

"Honey in the Bag" 
Ceol Beag or Light Music, mostly Marches, Strathspeys, Reels, Jigs, Hornpipes, Slow Airs & similar - 
Ceol Mor, or Piobaireachd, classical bagpipe music -  
https://scottmacleodpiobaireachdscottishsmallpipesbagpiping.bandcamp.com/ (2020)

http://scottmacleod.com/piping.htm ... which might give you an idea of the SSP sound - but which I don't think is loud enough for you - and I have a B flat chanter, an A chanter, and a D chanter, which I tune the drones to differently, depending on the chanter I'm playing). 

I'd be interested in exploring playing with the Saint Gabriel's Celestial Brass Band in the future, - and with some help and conversation, I might be able to help write some bagpipe sheet music for Saint Gabriel's Celestial Brass Band - or read yours. Am just beginning to seek to jam with the Allman Bros with Jerry Garcia 1973 in SF at Cow Palace experimentally - https://youtu.be/DNAmXz8kc6I - which works well with the A mixolydian 9 note chanter. 

I Like the sound of Saint Gabriel's Celestial Brass Band in the videos below, but after hearing some of them, I'm not sure how the Scottish Small Pipes would fit in ... I've played for around 10 years in the Scottish Country Dancing "Open Band" in south Berkeley at St. Clements on Mondays ... and may focus on this in the autumn - https://twitter.com/TheOpenBand.

Musical cheers, thanks,  

Scott


PS 
Found these online - 

Saint Gabriel's Celestrial Brass Band
1234 Laurel Ln Lafayette CA 94549

Tom Wiggins Stgabrielsbb@aol.com

https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-wiggins-9b7a0963/

925-952-4585 925-297-7544
https://ourstage.com/epk/saintgabrielscelestialbrassband/print


https://youtu.be/aNDk_oz_DBU


https://youtu.be/eBvKBYnjbUA


https://youtu.be/H-x3l--lIvw

https://www.reverbnation.com/artist/video/16954133


In addition to leader Tom Wiggins, members of the band are John Cocuzzi, Lech Wyrzinski, Buddy Apfel, Danny Armstrong, Paul Smith, Mike Rinta, Minor Williams, Marc Bolin, David Hardiman, Sr., and Frankie Bailey. The band welcomes all performance and festival invitations. Styles of music played include American jazz, gospel, soul, Zydecco, country and blues.



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Texting with my mother Wednesday July 19, 2023 ~ psychiatrist therapist John Sargent MD could have some federal oversight re my moving back into a newly safe  Canyon 94516 on 9/1/23


So, Ma, psychiatrist therapist John Sargent MD could have some federal oversight re my moving back into a newly safe  Canyon 94516 on 9/1/23 ... but legally can't talk about it with me too ... AND Regarding WHAT HE SAID IN MAY 2022 especially ... and know the laws ... Just got the first email in a LONG TIME from ISSIP ... indirectly from Jim Spohrer  (MIT Alum like Don Tatzin from about the same time in the early 1970s ... ) And where Jim, as former IBMer too knows Ellin Barret, a long-time Canyonite from the late 1960s I think and her brother Neale Barret (a retired IBMer, who has visited Canyon some) ... ALSO Lisa Ximei Peng at the end of our conversation said "All good wishes (or similar) to me" ... which is good to hear regarding people who could call her about my having rented here ...  eg like a Don Tatzin even? Do you want to see your MD psychiatrist therapist  again soon Ma (or even choose a different one ... Per your inquiry to me just now? ❤️, Love, Scott (http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/search/label/psychotherapy?m=0❤️😄❤️




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Ma, just played "The Little Spree" Piobaireachd, the 3rd night in a row, better, helpful beforehand to listen to Donald MacLeod's tutorial again ... It's a classical music bagpipe piece about a man getting drunk interestingly ... somewhat melodious  ... (but didn't make it onto my album ... Some of which are most beautiful to my ear and others nicely pretty ... and here's Colin MacLellan playing it - https://youtu.be/7T0irVtGkGI ... Did you make music today? ❤️Love, Scott (Got a phone call from Tom Wiggins in Lafayette CA, as BAND DIRECTOR of the St Gabriel's Celestial Brass Band (New Orleans' style jazz) ... asking if I could play on the 6th of August ... I called back and said I'd be on the other side of the country ... Could this call even come from Dick Robb in communication with Don Tatzin somehow? Maybe I will play with them in the autumn (will blog tomorrow about the email I sent Tom Wiggins Too ...Love, Scott ❤️




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Maybe me in the Game of Go will be a black stone piece that goes on the 670 Ridgecrest Rd Canyon Ca 94516 property board Ma ... and D another black stone as us black stones seek to encircle white stones being placed turn by turn on other interstices of the game board and other properties around the Bay Area too ... Here's a Game of Go board with pieces on it for the idea :)





https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/FloorGoban.JPG/600px-FloorGoban.JPG



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Ma, in this perspective, the little stone pieces in the Game of Go might have agency (or "the capacity of individuals to act independently and to make their own free choices, based on their will" - and metaphorically me as a black stone, for ex.  :), Love, Scott

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#Canyon94516 in around 2017 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rsadXCrs7YqaQPK5A #SFBayArea In what ways can @WorldUnivAndSch @WUaSPress create a #WUaSAcademicMedicalCenter w virtual #HarbinHotSprings @HarbinBook & #PhysicalDigital #WUaSLongevityGeneticsInstitute w 6-10 species beginning 9/1/23? #wuAsVR ~ 














































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