[codex_group_meetings] TODAY! CodeX Mtg (10/8 @1.30p PT): Deconstructing Legal Text; Candle (via Zoom)
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Hi Everyone,
Our next CodeX group meeting is today (Oct 8), from 1:30p to 2:30p PT, via Zoom - please use link and password below. All speakers will present remotely.
Our guests will be:
Megan Ma, PhD Candidate in Law,
Sciences Po Law School, and
Dmitriy Podkopaev, Sr Legal Data Scientist,
Simmons Wavelength, will discuss their
project, "Deconstructing Legal Text: Object-Oriented Design in Legal Adjudication," which intends to build an expert system predicated on rules of legal reasoning, applying both linguistic modelling and NLP to parse legal judgments.
Landon Stinson, Co-founder,
Candle. Candle creates enterprise software that aims to improve law firm efficiency and timely access to justice. Candle’s first product, Candle Request, integrates with Clio to automate the historically tedious processes of retrieving medical records and tracking liens for legal matters, including bulk requests and recordkeeping.
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Scott MacLeod <sgkmacleod@worlduniversityandschool.org> |
| Thu, Oct 8, 3:17 PM (1 day ago)
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to core.svo, landon, Roland |
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Landon, Megan, Dmitriy, and Roland,
Thanks for your great Stanford Law CodeX presentations. Some follow up questions and related:
Landon, MIT OCW-centric wiki World University and School's planned online medical schools with online teaching hospitals for online clinical care seeks to facilitate the coding of avatar bot electronic medical records - and, brainstorming-wise, for all 7.8 billion people (anticipating, for example, tele-robotic surgery). Am curious about some of your thoughts about this regarding Candle Request's future planning regarding closing the medical record vortex. How might we explore your great project, further, and even in all ~200 countries' official languages (where World Univ & Sch seeks to create online medical & law schools in each, and with AI, and an universal translator)? Thank you!
Megan, Dmitriy, As a follow on to Roland's questions, how would or might "Deconstructing Legal Text: Object-Oriented Design in Legal Adjudication" work with Google's NLP approaches? ... And how could you then (re Google Translate) build further models that would increase understanding of legal texts in other languages?
How might we explore your great project, further, and even in all ~200 countries' official languages (where World Univ & Sch seeks to create online law schools in each, and with AI, and an universal translator)?
Best regards, Scott
build an expert system predicated on rules of legal reasoning, applying both linguistic modelling and NLP to parse legal judgments.
and, as a follow on to Roland's questions, perhaps with Google's NLP approaches? ... And how could you then (re Google Translate) build further models that would increase understanding of legal texts in other languages?
Megan Ma
Dmitry
core.svo@gmail.comDeconstructing Legal Text_Object Oriented Design in Legal Adjudication
https://arxiv.org/abs/2009.06054Landon Stanson
seeking medical records
authorisation
cover letter
closing the medical record vortex
landon@candlerequest.com850 777 9504
In closing the medical record vortex, and as an example, do you have to ever reach out to EPIC (which with related companies may support ~50% of US hospitals), and how would Candle Request work, an another example, with Kaiser Permanente Health records, in its 8 US states?
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Megan and Dmitriy, Landon and Roland,
Thanks for your message this morning in LI, Megan, and re S-V-O metadata for other languages, and other legal systems. What a great opportunity to build a realistic virtual earth for law -
https://twitter.com/hashtag/RealisticVirtualEarthForLaw?src=hashtag_click - and legal meanings. Seems like a fascinating opportunity too especially for building a realistic virtual earth for languages -
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RealisticVirtualEarthForLanguages&src=typeahead_click - and regarding requiring "far more metadata to understand the semantic ambiguities latent in the phrasing of these general overarching principles." Since CC-4 MIT OCW-centric wiki World Univ & Sch is seeking to develop online free-to-students' degrees (Bachelor, Ph.D. Law, MD and IB high school in all ~200 countries and their official main languages), and since MIT doesn't have a law (or a medical school), WUaS is seeking to explore collaboration with Stanford Law for online law schools in all ~200 countries' official languages in these regards.
Scott:
as a follow on to Roland's questions, how would or might "Deconstructing Legal Text: Object-Oriented Design in Legal Adjudication" work with Google's NLP approaches? ... And how could you then (re Google Translate) build further models that would increase understanding of legal texts in other languages?
How might we explore your great project, further, and even in all ~200 countries' official languages (where World Univ & Sch seeks to create online law schools in each, and with AI, and an universal translator)?
Megan:
Hi Scott, sorry for the late response! Yes, we’re looking into that at a (sadly) later stage, provided that not only are legal judgments expressed in a different language, they’re equally bound by different legal systems. The civil law system (like in continental Europe), for example, has a different method of reasoning relying more prominently in deductive reasoning. Since they do not explicitly follow precedent, and instead use syllogisms, the fundamental breakdown of sentences to the Subject-Verb-Object structure will largely remain the same, but would require far more metadata to understand the semantic ambiguities latent in the phrasing of these general overarching principles as opposed to facts.
Scott:
Understood
Megan:
I do think it’d be great to tackle more languages! We were thinking of moving into French next actually
Scott:
Thanks for your reply, Megan! And great that you speak Cantonese too! Are you familiar with the Stanford Law China Guiding Cases Project CGCP -
https://cgc.law.stanford.edu ? The Stanford CGCP project has involved, as I understand this, translating the Beijing Supreme Court's rulings into English (87 rulings 3 or 4 years ago) and then back into Mandarin, thus perhaps helping to give China law a whole new basis - and in a time of legal reform in China. Regarding your SVO observation, that 'syllogistic legal systems' would "require far more metadata to understand the semantic ambiguities latent in the phrasing of these general overarching principles as opposed to facts," am curious, brainstorming-wise, what the role of a realistic virtual earth for languages -
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RealisticVirtualEarthForLanguages&src=typeahead_click in ONE single realistic virtual earth for such metadata could be -
https://twitter.com/hashtag/RealisticVirtualEarth?src=hashtag_click. Am thinking again, per my questions of the Google ecosystem, and Google Street View / Maps / Earth / TensorFlow / Translate ... and also especially with realistic 'artificial humans,' aka Samsung Neons.
Scott:
'Even with #
AvatarBotElectronicMedicalReco
rds for all 7.8 billion people (emerging from Duke / Stanford / Google's Project Baseline) @califf001 @researchmatters @PCORnetwork @texhern and potentially too in a #
RealisticVirtualEarthForSurger
y part of a single #RealisticVirtualEarth?'
https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/1306325041055899648?s=20
Thank you!
Best regards, Scott
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Megan:
Yes, wow this is incredible! I’m actually meeting up with the team tomorrow to discuss legal texts from jurisdictions written in non-English languages given the feedback we’ve received since yesterday. There’s definitely much more we could work with. I think your ideas regarding the “virtual earth” may be interesting from the perspective of how cultural surroundings may have an impact on the formation of legal norms...
All is to say, this is super stimulating and would love to dive even deeper!
Scott:
Thanks, Megan ... Appreciating your text-centricity regarding S-V-O and legal meanings thanks to computational linguistics (I'll call what you're developing) ... am curious about the role, regarding a single realistic virtual earth, of a Film-to-3D App - https://twitter.com/hashtag/FilmTo3D?src=hashtag_click - and for text and regarding context and meta-data especially ... Brainstorming-wise, could the actual writing of calligraphy of Chinese characters on a tablet or syllogistic legal reasoning brought in (to 1 #RealisticVirtualEarthForLanguages) with video inform legal meanings in new ways, compared with the writing of legal reasoning in the country (US?) you're focusing on so far? What non-English languages will you be talking about? It would seem too that a #FilmTo3D application could both document the meanings intended by legal writers orally (and in the form of realistic avatar bots) that might eventually move the law in many countries beyond text and regarding your S-V-O focus. S-V-O focus could also be used to parse what Supreme Court Justice say, for example, thus extending legal reasoning through documenting spoken language for posterity (and re 'stare decisis' computationally re US, and however this emerges in many other countries). Please keep me posted. How the information technology age is already changing norms is a related interesting question - and even re the Stanford Law CGCP ... Cheers, Scott
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